The Wes Miller Thread

[JBB]

I’m just saying discipline works. The successful coaches don’t care if they lose a player that can’t confirm to the their program. Look at what Bill Walton said about John Wooden and his discipline enforcement. The problem is you can’t have two sets of rules. If a player can’t accept what the coach demands, he needs to hit the portal. Can’t worry about those losses. Set the bar high and make everyone in the program reach for it in

[bobestes]

The Huggs tough approach worked great 20 years ago. Sad to say it would not work today. Kids and circumstances have changed so much. Players would opt for the portal in a heartbeat or not sign up in the first place. We all grew up with different values and mindset than todays coddled players. They will only tolerate a certain amount of direction and certainly not the berating or embaressing antics of an emotional coach. Hate me if you want for saying it but you can't live in the past and although we didn't make todays rules, we do have to live by them.

Zac Taylor isn't a hardass, he treats his players like big boys and most of the team is in there lifting 8am on victory Mondays.

[RedDog]

The Huggs tough approach worked great 20 years ago. Sad to say it would not work today. Kids and circumstances have changed so much. Players would opt for the portal in a heartbeat or not sign up in the first place. We all grew up with different values and mindset than todays coddled players. They will only tolerate a certain amount of direction and certainly not the berating or embaressing antics of an emotional coach. Hate me if you want for saying it but you can't live in the past and although we didn't make todays rules, we do have to live by them.

[leo from jersey]

I remember when Huggs first practice. Lou Banks said he didn’t feel good and didn’t want to practice. Coach told him to get dressed and be on the floor or clean out his locker.
That crap was tolerated by Yates and Badger. Huggs set the precedent for hard work and greatness. It works!!!

Huggs also didn't let them dress in the varsity locker room and as we all know often told them that they had no earned the right to wear the UC gear.

[JBB]

I remember when Huggs first practice. Lou Banks said he didn’t feel good and didn’t want to practice. Coach told him to get dressed and be on the floor or clean out his locker.
That crap was tolerated by Yates and Badger. Huggs set the precedent for hard work and greatness. It works!!!

[leo from jersey]

No I don't believe the selfishness can be coached "out" at this point. It's been almost a season and a half and still seeing the behavior tolerated and sometimes even encouraged. Coach is playing the hand dealt him until he can rotate the recruits that are all His.

I agree but what I meant it should have been coached up before it got this out of hand. A first year coach could do it especially the winningest under 40.

[Rufus]

No I don't believe the selfishness can be coached "out" at this point. It's been almost a season and a half and still seeing the behavior tolerated and sometimes even encouraged. Coach is playing the hand dealt him until he can rotate the recruits that are all His.

[leo from jersey]

No. I believe Wes is already getting the most out of every player on the roster, and more than Brannen could've coached them up.

mental and selfish mistakes can be coached

[red_n_black_attack]

sadly the excuses from many as well for the lack of play right now. Surely some of these guys can be coached up right now.

No. I believe Wes is already getting the most out of every player on the roster, and more than Brannen could've coached them up.

[leo from jersey]

I don't to allow this to become an Xavier bashing thread but only wish to say this, the cross town shootout has become a bigger game to them than it has to UC. The decline in the interest of this game for UC coincides with the so called continual rebuilding mentioned above. John Brannen's first year here was just collegiate sports second year of experiencing and navigating the transfer portal of players. Then the pandemic granted players a fifth year and then the unfortunate circumstances that led to JB's termination. CWM was handed a dumpster fire. If he continues to recruit and retain the type of recruits he has been getting so far our future is bright. Unfortunately we have to endure the product that remains from these previous years.

sadly the excuses from many as well for the lack of play right now. Surely some of these guys can be coached up right now.

[Rufus]

I don't to allow this to become an Xavier bashing thread but only wish to say this, the cross town shootout has become a bigger game to them than it has to UC. The decline in the interest of this game for UC coincides with the so called continual rebuilding mentioned above. John Brannen's first year here was just collegiate sports second year of experiencing and navigating the transfer portal of players. Then the pandemic granted players a fifth year and then the unfortunate circumstances that led to JB's termination. CWM was handed a dumpster fire. If he continues to recruit and retain the type of recruits he has been getting so far our future is bright. Unfortunately we have to endure the product that remains from these previous years.

[JBB]

It’s amazing how much our program has declined. A few years ago we were the team to beat on our opponents schedule. Xavier has emerged in the last few years as the better program in this town. They are one of the best teams in the country. We have to beat these guys year in and out and re-establish our superiority. But we’re like the reds, in continuous rebuild. I’m encouraged by the level of recruits CWM is chasing, hoping we can get back our swagger at some point

[bearcatbret]

X has always covered up their problems. They have kept their dirty laundry in-house. If they do discipline a player, it is usually at the beginning of the next season during the cupcake portion of the schedule. They keep it out of the press and the problem dies without any life. It is to the point that I could care less and that is the same feeling I have about this game.

[SKell82155]

I read the Xavier fan board & am always flummoxed by the hatred spewed by their moderator. The hypocrisy reeks- I remember in the 80’s my X acquaintances would complain UC used too many black players, then it was Prop 48, then transfer players, then thugs/criminals. X always followed suit so now it’s a matter of degree. One example- “ Yeah but he was only at X for 2 years & that happened after he was gone”.
Whatever.

[Oldtimer_UC_fan]

ain't that the truth ---I remember the hatred and the embarrassment if UC lost. The city seemed to be smaller then and we had less on our minds and so the game was important. The papers played it up. Heck they even had the football rivalry too throwing on gas.

Exactly right. Xavier was always the most important game on the schedule. If anything, there is a lot less emphasis in recent times.