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  • Originally posted by Carthage World View Post

    It seems as if we've filled spots #3-10 or #4-11 on the roster so far and have done a very good job of doing so. We're going to need a few more immediate impact players, particularly scorers, (in the mold of Colvin or Tejada) if we're going to take that jump from semi-competitive top 40-50 Big 12 team to NCAA tournament bound top 20-30 Big 12 team.
    Torvik has our current roster at #37. It's already a bubble quality roster. If we add the guys who have visited (Riley, Hastings, Bonke), we move up to #28. That's 7-8 seed territory.

    Fans are underwhelmed with Carson but seem to think Riley is a star. We'll see but the metrics say the opposite. EvanMiya says Carson is the best player we've brought in. He has the third highest BPM. He was easily the best player on a top 120 team and one of the best players in his conference. Riley was only the 5th best player on Tulsa. He can create and get to the line, but he's not efficient and not a good defender. He shot under 50% from two on high volume.

    I would still take Riley so we have a true PG, but my main point is our stars are already here. I think we're all underestimating how good Tejada, Carson, and Mahaffey are. They aren't going to fill up a highlight reel with flashy iso ball, but they are all capable of star production. And we have positive impact role players all around. With an efficient offensive scheme this team should score. We're just missing some interior defense, which Hastings and Bonke solves if we can get them.

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    • Originally posted by Carthage World View Post

      It seems as if we've filled spots #3-10 or #4-11 on the roster so far and have done a very good job of doing so. We're going to need a few more immediate impact players, particularly scorers, (in the mold of Colvin or Tejada) if we're going to take that jump from semi-competitive top 40-50 Big 12 team to NCAA tournament bound top 20-30 Big 12 team.
      I feel this way too, we've gotten the back-end of the lineup filled, but no clear stars. A bunch of guys who are going to be trying to make jumps in either level of play or minutes, hopefully most of them work out, but some of them won't and it's hard to predict who.

      Tejada worries me, he's 6'9", but he is not a physical guy, he seems to play like a big guard. He was basically shut down by Sharp (6'3" guard) when they played at Houston and didn't seem to even make an effort to take advantage of his size on the interior. He could easily be a bust if he doesn't learn to play physically and develop an interior game.

      Colvin is still the only guy who clearly projects as a starter. There are a number of other guys who could be starters, but there are no obvious stars, even compared to Wes's recent teams and remember, lack of star scorer was one of the big issues Wes had.

      Carson isn't a guy I'd want as a starting PG, he basically played the 3 last year. He's more of an emergency PG.

      We need a starting PG, a starting center (Allenspach isn't it) and probably a starting PF, all high level guys who are ready for the physicality of the big 12. I'm going to a little worried until those spots are filled.

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      • Originally posted by zykarious View Post

        I feel this way too, we've gotten the back-end of the lineup filled, but no clear stars. A bunch of guys who are going to be trying to make jumps in either level of play or minutes, hopefully most of them work out, but some of them won't and it's hard to predict who.

        Tejada worries me, he's 6'9", but he is not a physical guy, he seems to play like a big guard. He was basically shut down by Sharp (6'3" guard) when they played at Houston and didn't seem to even make an effort to take advantage of his size on the interior. He could easily be a bust if he doesn't learn to play physically and develop an interior game.

        Colvin is still the only guy who clearly projects as a starter. There are a number of other guys who could be starters, but there are no obvious stars, even compared to Wes's recent teams and remember, lack of star scorer was one of the big issues Wes had.

        Carson isn't a guy I'd want as a starting PG, he basically played the 3 last year. He's more of an emergency PG.

        We need a starting PG, a starting center (Allenspach isn't it) and probably a starting PF, all high level guys who are ready for the physicality of the big 12. I'm going to a little worried until those spots are filled.
        Tejada is definitely a wing. I noted earlier that he has the size of a 4 but plays like a 3. Mahaffey is undersized but plays big like a 4. I think that dynamic will work. A bunch of interchangeable wings is fine as long as they can defend and rebound as a group.

        I'm not as high on Colvin. He's a wing who can rebound and get to the rim. But he's not efficient (only 45% from two, 50% eFG), which isn't great for a guy who's not very high usage. Very inconsistent this season. EvanMiya and Torvik say he's not a great defender. I see him as more of a role player than a clear starter on a tournament team.

        Carson played the 3 because he was joined by 6'0" and 6'2" backcourt players at NDSU. His statistical profile is an efficient combo guard. I think he'd be a very capable PG alongside wings who can penetrate and volume score. I worry more about him on the wing because of his size. But he's a versatile guy who can produce at the 1-3.

        I think Allenspach can start alongside a strong post defender, which Tejada absolutely is not. In an ideal world Allenspach is coming of the bench, I agree. But good bigs are expensive. If we can't afford an upgrade, a rim protecting 4 would give us a good balanced interior. Either way, I see Allenspach as a 20 mpg guy, so we need another 5 whether he's starting or on the bench.

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        • Originally posted by BearKatz View Post
          So we currently have (9) players in the portal, with (7) commits. How many open scholarships are available?
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          I have seen posts that list Elamin as a power forward. However, Utah State's roster from last season has Elamin listed as a wing. My question is, where does Elamin best fit in? He is not heavy enough to play PF in the BIG XII. Does he have the perimeter skills to effectively operate as a wing? So, where does he play?

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          • Not a single high performer from P4, right?

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            • Originally posted by Bearcat93 View Post
              Not a single high performer from P4, right?
              These guys seem to be quality additions but not the type to break the bank, and we were supposed to have a lot to spend this year. Still time, so I don’t know how concerned to be. We probably need at least 5 more bodies just to practice.

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              • Why can’t we just offer Thaim and Tillery?

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                • Originally posted by longtimefan View Post
                  Why can’t we just offer Thaim and Tillery?
                  Because CJC said anyone who enters the portal is basically not welcomed back. I'm not so sure I agree with that Philosophy.

                  This team definetly needs HELP at PG. Not many teams would turn away a potential NBA Player.

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                  • Originally posted by BearKatz View Post

                    Because CJC said anyone who enters the portal is basically not welcomed back. I'm not so sure I agree with that Philosophy.

                    This team definetly needs HELP at PG. Not many teams would turn away a potential NBA Player.
                    You really can't blame the players for exploring their options. After all, his players at Utah State did the very same thing.

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                    • Originally posted by longtimefan View Post
                      Why can’t we just offer Thaim and Tillery?
                      I thought they had offers from UC. Maybe once they entered the portal those offers were revoked.

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                      • Originally posted by Oldtimer_UC_fan View Post

                        You really can't blame the players for exploring their options. After all, his players at Utah State did the very same thing.
                        Didn't WM run away Skillings who was praised as being in the NBA in a year. Tillery had not played to the level of DS his soph year, but Tillery was just a frosh. I have yet to see big money thrown his way while he is out there. It may come as teams panic. Give it time, as Sedz says there are PGs out there plus there are some overseas.

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                        • Folks patience is hard for a true fan I know. I know CJC and Cory Evans know we need a complete roster too. I always said give CJC a pass his first year as long as we see progress. I hope to live up to that and not get frustrated. There is still time and players available, plus what if some get the fifth year. I am sure we all want the Cats to succeed after the last few years, but I just read in the bible -Let us not become weary in doing good, for at the proper time we will reap a harvest if we do not give up. Gal 6:9 -- I will be happy to see some good fundamentals, growth in skill and team play. If that continues, we will see players attracted to the Cats and more wins.

                          Go Cats

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                          • Originally posted by Bearcat93 View Post
                            Not a single high performer from P4, right?
                            I think that there is a P4 in football but a P5 in basketball if you include the Big East. Afterall, just look at the accomplishments of UConn. At one time, the Big East added football to grow their brand and it worked until the conference expansion exploded and half the teams fled and the remaining football schools divorced the Big East to form the American.

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                            • No you can not blame the current players for exploring their options since CWM was fired. A few of us said at the begining of this transition, a mass exodus would take place.

                              I really didn't think any of the players would want to come back. Thiam was going to attract all the Blue Bloods and rightfully so. Not many 7' Plus players shoot the ball the way he does. He's also young, and can be coached into being a better defensive player.

                              If UC was going to spend Big $$$, it should have been on keeping Thiam first, and Tillery second. Those two players have the most upside of any on last years roster.

                              I do not believe any of the big men 6' 10" plus will be as good offensively as Thiam this coming year. Maybe better defensively / rebounding. As far as Tillery goes, CJC probably breaks even on this one. My only concern, are either of them true PG's?

                              Time will tell how good CJC is! We're starting over again, the 3yr window starts now.

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                              • Why would CJC throw big money at Tillery? He’s unproven with some upside. Not worth paying the big money. Thiam was going to require big money regardless who the coach was. When you enter the portal, you are giving up your scholarship and the players are aware of that. Now if a team decides to resign them they can but I would think most teams would let these players go with so many options out there if they’re not interested in playing for their current team.

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