Game 25: South Florida 2/9 7:00 ESPN+

[Chewbacca2099]

I think you're the first person on here using one of those.

I also have a shield but haven't tried ESPN on it yet. It's on a secondary TV so it's not used as often... but the Shield is widely considered the best streaming device

[Lobot]

Any idea what ESPN+ channel is game on tonight? I use iptv there are more than 270 ESPN+ channels some time there is no EPG>

There are no channel numbers on ESPN+. What kind of device are you watching this on and where are you located. That might help me figure it out.

[fmirzamd]

Any idea what ESPN+ channel is game on tonight? I use iptv there are more than 270 ESPN+ channels some time there is no EPG>

[CatCane]

I think you're the first person on here using one of those.

It is more expensive than some of the others but it works really well on all streams.

[leo from jersey]

I think you're the first person on here using one of those.

I usually have clear but I was kicked out the last game.

[Lobot]

Just a quick note about ESPN+ reception. I have an Nvidia Shield streaming device and the video always come through crystal clear.

I think you're the first person on here using one of those.

[CatCane]

Just a quick note about ESPN+ reception. I have an Nvidia Shield streaming device and the video always come through crystal clear.

[Rufus]

"Unrelated but when Justin Jenifer got here, he was a speed demon who wanted to push the ball at every opportunity. As a function of Cronin's offense, Jenifer had to slow down a lot during his career. He became a really solid PG because of it and I think we'll eventually see the same with Mike Saunders Jr."


I believe this to be true before all is said and done as well.

[Lobot]

This is dead on the point I've been trying to make. I would say this team was playing better in the first part of the year and have regressed since then. Regardless of what the talent level is that CWM inherited and assembled the only one who has improved is DDJ. The rest have not improved skill-wise and are not held accountable when they make the same mistakes repeatedly. I'm not expecting them to be great just incrementally better than they were. If going forward CWM is able to land all 4 and 5 star guys and just roll the ball out there much like the Memphis model then fine. I do believe there are a lot of players who will love Miller's style and the fact that he never gets on you or sit you for not listening. If you can't recruit the very best athlete then you have to have a program that develops what you get. While it's early but I don't see fundamentals and development emphasized.

Look at the bright side. The players don't step out of bounds 5 times a game like under the last guy.

I don't think anyone aspires to be Memphis based on the results.

We're used to having a negative energy firebrand coach and Wes is very different than that. I think we'll get used to it eventually. Not to make light of PTSD but it wouldn't surprise me if some of the holdovers from last year actually had it.

You can't coach those who do not want to be coached. I'm not referring to anyone specifically here but I'm guessing there's a least a couple of guys in that bucket.

Unrelated but when Justin Jenifer got here, he was a speed demon who wanted to push the ball at every opportunity. As a function of Cronin's offense, Jenifer had to slow down a lot during his career. He became a really solid PG because of it and I think we'll eventually see the same with Mike Saunders Jr.

[Gmann]

I tire of this rationalization. Let us look at which players were here last year. DD has improved, but VL JD, MAW, MS and MM have gone down hill and are playing pathetic me me me basketball. Their eyes are on the rim and not on their teammates. That is what I am judging CWM on. Sure they may not be the best players and poorly recruited by JB, but one would think that they would have shown improvement and not in tiny pieces in very few situations. Let us stop the excuses and see what has been done with those with a prior UC presence. It is just about unwatchable, but we do, because regardless of the coach, regardless of these self centered players, we love UC. The first game I ever saw had Oscar. He made me a fan forever. Love them Cats, but I shudder at the wretched excrement on the court and I see little reason for hope this year. I will give CWM time for new recruits, but he has had time with the returning players and has shown negative results except for DD. Regardless I will still watch my beloved Bearcats.

This is dead on the point I've been trying to make. I would say this team was playing better in the first part of the year and have regressed since then. Regardless of what the talent level is that CWM inherited and assembled the only one who has improved is DDJ. The rest have not improved skill-wise and are not held accountable when they make the same mistakes repeatedly. I'm not expecting them to be great just incrementally better than they were. If going forward CWM is able to land all 4 and 5 star guys and just roll the ball out there much like the Memphis model then fine. I do believe there are a lot of players who will love Miller's style and the fact that he never gets on you or sit you for not listening. If you can't recruit the very best athlete then you have to have a program that develops what you get. While it's early but I don't see fundamentals and development emphasized.

[leo from jersey]

Look it wasn't a very pretty game but what do you people expect? Miller had nor recruits coming in when he took the job and very little time to form a team. You have to realize that after last year this program was near a disaster. 5 of the guys playing weren't even on UC's campus last year. This team was put together to make it through the year. We have to cheer them on and take what they give us. We are actually in a better place than I thought we would be. Be patient and enjoy the wins they give us.

I tire of this rationalization. Let us look at which players were here last year. DD has improved, but VL JD, MAW, MS and MM have gone down hill and are playing pathetic me me me basketball. Their eyes are on the rim and not on their teammates. That is what I am judging CWM on. Sure they may not be the best players and poorly recruited by JB, but one would think that they would have shown improvement and not in tiny pieces in very few situations. Let us stop the excuses and see what has been done with those with a prior UC presence. It is just about unwatchable, but we do, because regardless of the coach, regardless of these self centered players, we love UC. The first game I ever saw had Oscar. He made me a fan forever. Love them Cats, but I shudder at the wretched excrement on the court and I see little reason for hope this year. I will give CWM time for new recruits, but he has had time with the returning players and has shown negative results except for DD. Regardless I will still watch my beloved Bearcats.

[longtimefan]

We saw what this was last year, with Keith Williams and Tari Eason. While I was hoping that some of the transfers would magically transform that team into a tournament lock I really didn't expect it. As I've said before, coach got the job in April, and there is a reason those guys were available to transfer so late in the process. We've reached the point in the year where a coach usually settles on a 6-8 man rotation, keeping his best players on the court against better competition. For the life of me I don't know how I could settle on such a rotation with this bunch, as I see DDJ as the only consistent, reliable starter that I can count on night in and night out. The rest of the roster consists of one-dimensional guys, guys who maybe shoot it very well (sometimes) but become a liability on the defensive end. Or we have guys who only go to the left, or guys who can get to the rim but can't finish, or guys who can't catch the ball underneath and even if they do can't do anything with it. Have they improved? Judging from the Houston game they have compared to last year, when they flat out quit when they fell behind, not once but twice. Are they a typical Bearcat team? No they're not, they sure don't look like they have hit the weight room like so many Bearcat teams before them.

As limited as they are, a good run from here on would put them in a good place as far as a postseason bid is concerned, whether NCAA or NIT. In either case, it would be a successful year. Judging Coach Miller by what we've seen so far isn't really fair, but we need to see big improvement next year, and I think we will.

[Oldtimer_UC_fan]

Yes because we could have easliy lost the Miami, WSU or ECU games so that's a wash. It's not so much just wins and losses it's the lack of improvement and the same mistakes being repeated competing in what is a very weak league.

My question was a "what if". Assuming we won those others. Expectations coming in were not great. Without any inside offense, what choice does that leave other than 3 pointers? Did you really expect to compete for league champion this season? Seems to me that we have competed with all except Houston. We are currently 4th place at 6-4, only half game behind Memphis.

[Gmann]

If we had won against Monmouth and Temple, 2 games we should have won, and we were 18-5, would we still be complaining?

Yes because we could have easliy lost the Miami, WSU or ECU games so that's a wash. It's not so much just wins and losses it's the lack of improvement and the same mistakes being repeated competing in what is a very weak league.

[Greg7173]

I pretty much agree with what everyone else is saying. This team is tough to watch and really isn't improving their basic basketball skill level. It is interesting if you read gobearcats.com you might get a totally different spin on things. Talk about lipstick on a pig.