The Wes Miller Thread

[GoBearcats31]

Happy birthday to Coach Miller - let's turn this around tonight

[JohnFrancis]

Missouri last 4 years.....12-21, 25-10, 8-24, 15-4

Gates was hired in 2022 inherited a dumpster fire extended in 2023…this season is year 3….SEC a lot tougher top to bottom

[sedz]

Listen Sedz, I understand what you are saying. What I am saying to you is that UC is not good at playing in the 4 out / 1 in system. BYU has some good size in the starting lineup. Their starting point guard is 6'5". They can send a 6'7", 6'8" (big body), and a 6'9" (guard) to the boards. BYU is out rebounding teams by + 9.2. How is UC going to handle that. They bring off the bench a 6'9", 6'10", and 6'6" (big body) to help.

BYU plays 4 out / 1 in but they have the size on their roster to play with two bigs or any other way that they want to play. UC cannot do that. That may be hurting UC. BYU's roster is much more flexible. Throughout the course of a game, my guess is we will see BYU play with a number of different lineups other than 4 out / 1 in.

Nevertheless, I hope that UC can win this game. This would be a pretty good win.

Yep, BYU plays the modern positionless style that I've been promoting for years. They always have big guards and wings that can play multiple positions. They can really score and rebound. Wings, wings, and more wings. I think we have the personnel to try that, but Wes has too traditional of a mindset. He's always had a pure C and a pure PG in his lineups.

[leeraymond]

BYU plays a 4 out 1 in system, and last year played a lot of 5 out. In fact, I'm struggling to come up with a single team I've watched this year that doesn't play 4 out or 5 out.

Listen Sedz, I understand what you are saying. What I am saying to you is that UC is not good at playing in the 4 out / 1 in system. BYU has some good size in the starting lineup. Their starting point guard is 6'9". They can send a 6'7", 6'8" (big body), and a 6'5" (guard) to the boards. BYU is out rebounding teams by + 9.2. How is UC going to handle that? They bring off the bench a 6'9", 6'10", and 6'6" (big body) to help.

BYU plays 4 out / 1 in but they have the size on their roster to play with two bigs or any other way that they want to play. UC cannot do that. That may be hurting UC. BYU's roster is much more flexible. Throughout the course of a game, my guess is we will see BYU play with a number of different lineups other than 4 out / 1 in.

Nevertheless, I hope that UC can win this game. This would be a pretty good win.

[leeraymond]

Wes will be UC's coach next year unless he moves by his own choice. UC will not terminate his contract unless there is some scandal in the basketball program. I wish everyone would stop with this nonsense. He will be UC's coach for at least next year.

I am totally in agreement with that.

[sedz]

OMG - you dare to question new age stats / thoughts / all knowing concepts?

Again I feel like I'm living in an alternate timeline. 4 out became widespread in the mid 2000s - 20 years ago. Back then they called it a stretch 4 but now almost everybody plays a stretch 4. How long does something need to be around before it's not new age? Is the three point line new age? The shot clock? Indoor plumbing?

[sedz]

There are crucial defensive matchup problems created for UC by playing the 4 out /1 in system. Especially against teams with bigger front-lines. By the way, BYU has two of the best rebounding forwards in the country. Let's see how UC does in the paint in this game.

BYU plays a 4 out 1 in system, and last year played a lot of 5 out. In fact, I'm struggling to come up with a single team I've watched this year that doesn't play 4 out or 5 out.

[sedz]

Are you saying that UC is not winning because Aziz does not score many points? What about playing defense with the 4-out lineup? UC has been outrebounded in the conference, outscored in the paint 33-29 a game (conference play), and has a 2-5 conference record. The win-loss record tells the whole story in a nutshell. A few more bigs in the lineup would probably help UC's chances of getting wins. From what I can see, having a bunch of guards is not helping UC to get wins. Maybe a couple more bigs could help.

There are crucial defensive matchup problems created for UC by playing the 4 out /1 in system. Especially against teams with bigger front-lines. By the way, BYU has two of the best rebounding forwards in the country. Let's see how UC does in the paint in this game.

Aziz doesn't create offense at all. He can't create his own shot. He doesn't draw double teams. He's not a passer with good court vision and anticipation. So the guards have to do everything. Playing two interior guys does not help that situation. You would still have that offensive black hole, just with two slow players instead of one.

Our best players are wings. We do not get efficient scoring from the C or PG spots. I want our wings to see the floor as much as possible. That's more common sense than fancy new age analytics sorcery.

[London 'Cat]

If Wes is smart he is actively networking for available jobs for next year.It is clear from his interviews and comments that he feels the heat and realizes that we as fans expect more than this. The same can't be said of CSS.He seems clueless. You just want to shake him and say" NO! This is not good enough!"

Wes will be UC's coach next year unless he moves by his own choice. UC will not terminate his contract unless there is some scandal in the basketball program. I wish everyone would stop with this nonsense. He will be UC's coach for at least next year.

[bearcatlifer]

If Wes is smart he is actively networking for available jobs for next year.It is clear from his interviews and comments that he feels the heat and realizes that we as fans expect more than this. The same can't be said of CSS.He seems clueless. You just want to shake him and say" NO! This is not good enough!"

[daveh]

Are you saying that UC is not winning because Aziz does not score many points? What about playing defense with the 4-out lineup? UC has been outrebounded in the conference, outscored in the paint 33-29 a game (conference play), and has a 2-5 conference record. The win-loss record tells the whole story in a nutshell. A few more bigs in the lineup would probably help UC's chances of getting wins. From what I can see, having a bunch of guards is not helping UC to get wins. Maybe a couple more bigs could help.

There are crucial defensive matchup problems created for UC by playing the 4 out /1 in system. Especially against teams with bigger front-lines. By the way, BYU has two of the best rebounding forwards in the country. Let's see how UC does in the paint in this game.

OMG - you dare to question new age stats / thoughts / all knowing concepts?

[Rufus]

The lack of rebounding is blatantly obvious on this years version. When you have four out and two of them ( JJ and Day Day) being undersized and in at the same time you have Simas who very reluctantly will mix it up in the paint. Out of the other three Mitchel, Skillings, and Aziz are getting brutalized on the boards.Like Leeraymond, I too am anxious to see how we rebound this evening.

[leeraymond]

It's 2025. Everybody plays at least 4 out. It's not fancy. The problem is our one big doesn't have an offensive game, not that we need more slow players on the floor.

Are you saying that UC is not winning because Aziz does not score many points? What about playing defense with the 4-out lineup? UC has been outrebounded in the conference, outscored in the paint 33-29 a game (conference play), and has a 2-5 conference record. The win-loss record tells the whole story in a nutshell. A few more bigs in the lineup would probably help UC's chances of getting wins. From what I can see, having a bunch of guards is not helping UC to get wins. Maybe a couple more bigs could help.

There are crucial defensive matchup problems created for UC by playing the 4 out /1 in system. Especially against teams with bigger front-lines. By the way, BYU has two of the best rebounding forwards in the country. Let's see how UC does in the paint in this game.

[Bearcat93]

I think its what that presence in the paint opens up
for other players as well as creating a more complex offense to defend. UC is pretty easy to scheme against, which is why we are lacking any good wins. Ironically, Vik is shooting 36% from 3 (10% improvement) and 70% from the line (15% improvement), two strengths we are sorely lacking.

[sedz]

With Miller. the bigs are an after-thought. He wants to play the fancy one in / four out stuff. How is that working out in BIG XII play?

It's 2025. Everybody plays at least 4 out. It's not fancy. The problem is our one big doesn't have an offensive game, not that we need more slow players on the floor.