TCU 2/22 12:00 pm ESPN2

[London 'Cat]

If they played the game out over 80 minutes, assuming all of the conditions that existed in the first 40 minutes also existed in the second 40 minutes, that would project out to 10 turnovers. Let's take TCU's starting three guards, for example. The three guards for TCU played a combined 77:15 minutes and only committed 3 turnovers. Check this out. All three turnovers came from one guy.

Three turnovers combined from three guards over 40 minutes. That is what I call good ball handling.

What are you saying? The game is 40 minutes. Two of five players equals 80 minutes. You are counting it twice to get to 10 TOs. That would equal 4 players not two.

[swilsonsp4]

IMHO, it's preferable to have players who are willing to take reasonable risks at an appropriate time, rather than waiting until the conditions are dead perfect, which rarely happens. Offenses stall when the guards are tentative. It's okay to be assertive; just don't be recklessly careless. When a team plays 40 minutes with the players turning it over only 8 times, it would be difficult to say that any of them were reckless.

[sedz]

In analytics we use turnover rate, which is the percentage of possessions you commit a turnover on. The national average is 17%. Against TCU our team rate was just 12%, which is really good. That's 8 turnovers / 65 possessions = 12.3%.

For players, the rate is adjusted for usage. If you aren't doing much on offense, you'll be penalized more when you turn it over. Jizzle had an 18% rate. The calc is 3 turnovers / 46 possessions / 36.3% usage = 18% turnover rate. Day Day was 15% (2/52/.263=.15). Pretty typical numbers for the PGs. But consider CJ Fredrick, who had only one turnover in 8 minutes, but was slapped with an awful 63% turnover rate (1/12.5/.127=.63). That's because his only other stat was one missed shot, so his usage rate was a really low 12.7%.

[leo from jersey]

In analytics we use turnover rate, which is the percentage of possessions you commit a turnover on. The national average is 17%. Against TCU our team rate was just 12%, which is really good. That's 8 turnovers / 65 possessions = 12.3%.

For players, the rate is adjusted for usage. If you aren't doing much on offense, you'll be penalized more when you turn it over. Jizzle had an 18% rate. The calc is 3 turnovers / 46 possessions / 36.3% usage = 18% turnover rate. Day Day was 15% (2/52/.263=.15). Pretty typical numbers for the PGs. But consider CJ Fredrick, who had only one turnover in 8 minutes, but was slapped with an awful 63% turnover rate (1/12.5/.127=.63). That's because his only other stat was one missed shot, so his usage rate was a really low 12.7%.

Nothing much is expected by CJ except for some minutes and keep the spacing set.

[Oldtimer_UC_fan]

Nothing much is expected by CJ except for some minutes and keep the spacing set.

Good thing nothing is expected since we are getting just that......nothing.

[leeraymond]

What are you saying? The game is 40 minutes. Two of five players equals 80 minutes. You are counting it twice to get to 10 TOs. That would equal 4 players not two.

What I am saying is that both James and Thomas combined for 5 turnovers in 40 minutes in the TCU game. If the game was 80 minutes, assuming game conditions in both halves were equal, the two would generate 10 turnovers not 8 as was mentioned previously.

Overall, in conference play, UC only turns the ball over about 10.4 times a game. That is not bad. However, James and Thomas combine to account for about 32.9% of all the team's turnovers in conference play. That comes to about 3.4 a game. That is not bad.

What I was referring to initially was the 7-game stretch from the first WV game to the TCU game where James and Thomas had a combined 32 turnovers over those 7 games.

[London 'Cat]

What I am saying is that both James and Thomas combined for 5 turnovers in 40 minutes in the TCU game. If the game was 80 minutes, assuming game conditions in both halves were equal, the two would generate 10 turnovers not 8 as was mentioned previously.

Overall, in conference play, UC only turns the ball over about 10.4 times a game. That is not bad. However, James and Thomas combine to account for about 32.9% of all the team's turnovers in conference play. That comes to about 3.4 a game. That is not bad.

What I was referring to initially was the 7-game stretch from the first WV game to the TCU game where James and Thomas had a combined 32 turnovers over those 7 games.

But a game isn’t 80 minutes long, it’s 40 minutes. And those two played 77.5% of those 80 minutes available for two players.

[leeraymond]

But a game isn’t 80 minutes long, it’s 40 minutes. And those two played 77.5% of those 80 minutes available for two players.

Yeah. No time to argue this one.