John Brannen

[GoBearcats31]

From Justin Williams:

Former #Bearcats men’s basketball coach John Brannen has officially filed a federal lawsuit against the University of Cincinnati, AD John Cunningham and President Neville Pinto, @TheAthletic has learned. This was expected. The complaint is not yet available for public review.

[Lobot]

I just posted a separate thread concerning the NCAA violation to the basketball forum.

[DesertFog]

Not taking sides, just pointing out how easy it is to interpret the same event different ways. JB is no good, he violates rules, lies, etc. Or maybe JB is a saint, he uses his own money to help a student when he couldn't get that help through channels.

[leo from jersey]

There is an article on Cincinnati.com concerning UC reporting Brannen to the NCAA. Can’t read it as I do not subscribe.

It was just the attorney Marrs comments added to a prior story about the 135 dollar violation. he didn't say much except Cunningham didn't appear interested at first. It was like JC was really desperate for a cause and went with what ever he could find. It did say Mr. Brannen supposedly lied about running it through the compliance office and that the conference will take action later. I read it quickly so there may be something mre, but I don't think so. I was more interested in Johnny Bench and his challenge to hold 7 baseballs and about the new transfer.

[London 'Cat]

There is an article on Cincinnati.com concerning UC reporting Brannen to the NCAA. Can’t read it as I do not subscribe.

[Colonel]

UC did nothing under Brannons short tenure. I keep hearing that Brannon made March his first year. Yeah with Micks players. What has he accomplished since then? You can take the he said and he said and toss it out the window. There were no results and players did not succeed (which is a huge disservice to them). I am glad JB is gone and glad CWM is here. If nothing else changes he talks the talk.

I will state to GoCats1994 that I (me, myself and I) do NOT believe JB was ready for a program like UC and it showed.

[DesertFog]

I hear everyone, but there is something in me that still says that an employee should be willing to give up job security for a lot of money. Say 1 mil the first year, 2 the second, etc, with performance reviews every year. If someone is just no good, the employer should be able to dump him. As for a a great coach leaving for a better offer, well either match the offer or let him walk.

[CincyBearcats2]

Correct. But I can tie you up in court for eons while you run out of money for attorney's fees.

Yeah but majority of the time you reach a settlement and Idk about that. Kevin Ollie has been fighting his case for years and doesn’t show signs of stopping anytime soon.

[Lobot]

If I sign a contract for 5 years, 10 million dollars a year. You shouldn’t be able to fire me whenever you want and not pay me a dime. At that point it’d make the contracts worthless because either side could back out whenever they wanted with no consequences.

Correct. But I can tie you up in court for eons while you run out of money for attorney's fees.

[CincyBearcats2]

I don't think we have discussed the problems that contract buyouts cause. Why do they exist? Maybe a no fault divorce, for couples and coaches, would be better.

If I sign a contract for 5 years, 10 million dollars a year. You shouldn’t be able to fire me whenever you want and not pay me a dime. At that point it’d make the contracts worthless because either side could back out whenever they wanted with no consequences.

[leo from jersey]

I don't think we have discussed the problems that contract buyouts cause. Why do they exist? Maybe a no fault divorce, for couples and coaches, would be better.

It would, but it is for mutual protection. Even in divorce cases rewards are made. It isn't that simple. That is why there are often agreements prior to employment/marriage in cases where substantial money is involved.

[DesertFog]

I don't think we have discussed the problems that contract buyouts cause. Why do they exist? Maybe a no fault divorce, for couples and coaches, would be better.

[leo from jersey]

If what I read in here about the interview on cincy 360, I am dismayed by Tony Pike's tease of a Brannen supporter coming to defend Mr. Brannen. I should have listened for myself, but I thought fishing would be more productive.

Tony did go to UC and he reports on their football games on the radio. Such a small world. One thing about Tony. He speaks positive about Brian Kelly and I think he is a very good radio host.

[leo from jersey]

When I read the article in the Athletic, I thought it was click bait, article filling and perhaps the writer had previous bad dealings with Mr. Brannen. I always thought MR. Brannen's ways rubbed many wrong. I further believe it went beyond players, writers, former players , strength staff and administration. I guess that it may have rubbed some deep pocketed mover and shaker wrongly.

[leo from jersey]

JC has had no pro success to this point. He wasn't drafted in the NBA but was added to the G league. He is on his second team and has gotten very very little playing time. Hopefully that will come as his game develops. Usually guys who ride the bench and need developing in the G are kids who came out early, not guys who played 4 years of college ball and are 24 years old. We shall see and we all hope for the best for him.
The Athletic article went into great detail on his career. Most of it was unfortunate circumstances. It is well documented by now that Brannen was basically a jerk and his tactics were regrettable and inexcusable. I was equally dismayed in the article that JC didn't like coaches offense and refused to play it. This culminated in his benching and pouting. Eventually, Brannen relented and gave JC the reigns and JC and Tre played a 2 man game the rest of the season. Since when do players have the right to dictate offenses to the coach and refuse to comply? The article seemed to present that fact as if it was acceptable and not a negative reflection on JC. I don't agree. So in my opinion, his senior year was a mess that was equally driven by player and coach. Only a monster year would have made him an NBA draft pick and it just didn't happen. He now has a pretty steep hole to climb out of. Again, I wish him luck.
Thank goodness we have moved on to a new era. I am anxious for the new style and fresh talent to root for. Cleary the coach/player relationships will be better which in and of itself should pay dividends. It is regrettable that so many guys jumped ship and those who stayed like JC and KW, weren't able to parlay those decisions into better pro careers.

Very good and lacking the bias we often see. UC does teach critical thinking.