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  • #16
    Originally posted by Bearcat1996 View Post
    Probably an unpopular opinion, but what if we didn't play the NIL game with players. Scout for the guys who show some ability but more heart and resilience. Spend the added money on coaching. The pendulum has to swing the other way eventually.
    at this point in time, i think any school that ignored nil would just be screwing itself - i don't have any metrics for that, but i just think it would be almost impossible to get top talent - these kids all seem to have agents, and i don't think they're going to play for free. but, i agree with your point - you need someone to be the heart and soul of the team, to be the leader. i'm not advocating for other fball players, but i remember back to connor barwin defending guys six inches taller. guys who just won't, and don't, quit. who put the team on their back and drag it forward.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Bearcat1996 View Post
      Probably an unpopular opinion, but what if we didn't play the NIL game with players. Scout for the guys who show some ability but more heart and resilience. Spend the added money on coaching. The pendulum has to swing the other way eventually.
      That NIL or pay-4-play door will not be closing. If we get kids for no NIL, then they probably aren't good enough to be walk-ons at any Big 12 school, and we would be hard pressed to find a single win on the schedule out of conference, with zero shot at conference wins. We have to play the NIL game with players, and we need to do so in a way they see this as the tip of the icerberg in future earnings in the NFL or NBA. Players can be paid and still have a drive to succeed.
      Red and Black are more of an Attitude than merely a color combination.

      Intimidate! Dominate! Celebrate!

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      • #18
        Originally posted by D.A.H. View Post

        at this point in time, i think any school that ignored nil would just be screwing itself - i don't have any metrics for that, but i just think it would be almost impossible to get top talent - these kids all seem to have agents, and i don't think they're going to play for free. but, i agree with your point - you need someone to be the heart and soul of the team, to be the leader. i'm not advocating for other fball players, but i remember back to connor barwin defending guys six inches taller. guys who just won't, and don't, quit. who put the team on their back and drag it forward.
        I see it moving in the opposite direction actually. Pay coaches less and pay the players more. As much as I disagree with that, I feel that is more likely to happen.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by London 'Cat View Post

          I see it moving in the opposite direction actually. Pay coaches less and pay the players more. As much as I disagree with that, I feel that is more likely to happen.
          Great. Going forward, I would expect even softer players who jump ship at the first sign of discomfort. I doubt Huggs could coach present day. Going to make watching and supporting unbearable.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Bearcat1996 View Post

            Great. Going forward, I would expect even softer players who jump ship at the first sign of discomfort. I doubt Huggs could coach present day. Going to make watching and supporting unbearable.
            I'm waiting on the Wisconsin case refusing to enter a player into the portal to be settled. The kid had a two year NIL deal so Wisconsin felt they didn't need to honor the player's request to enter the portal and ultimately are blocking his transfer to Miami.

            While I think this is a pure chickencrap thing of Fickell to do, I'm hopefull that we enter into an era of two and three or more year NIL contracts. If that happens, pay the coaches much less and pay the players. How many starting NFL players get paid less than their coach? I think the answer is very few after the rookie contract.
            Red and Black are more of an Attitude than merely a color combination.

            Intimidate! Dominate! Celebrate!

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            • #21
              Originally posted by red_n_black_attack View Post

              I'm waiting on the Wisconsin case refusing to enter a player into the portal to be settled. The kid had a two year NIL deal so Wisconsin felt they didn't need to honor the player's request to enter the portal and ultimately are blocking his transfer to Miami.

              While I think this is a pure chickencrap thing of Fickell to do, I'm hopefull that we enter into an era of two and three or more year NIL contracts. If that happens, pay the coaches much less and pay the players. How many starting NFL players get paid less than their coach? I think the answer is very few after the rookie contract.
              I get it. I also think the Cap makes sense, similar to NFL, in order to keep things on a somewhat level playing field. Further, if these guys are making so much, they should sign a contract to have skin in the game.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Bearcat1996 View Post

                I get it. I also think the Cap makes sense, similar to NFL, in order to keep things on a somewhat level playing field. Further, if these guys are making so much, they should sign a contract to have skin in the game.
                Give me an example of what a contract might have in it to show the llayer has skin in the game?
                Red and Black are more of an Attitude than merely a color combination.

                Intimidate! Dominate! Celebrate!

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Bearcat1996 View Post
                  Probably an unpopular opinion, but what if we didn't play the NIL game with players. Scout for the guys who show some ability but more heart and resilience. Spend the added money on coaching. The pendulum has to swing the other way eventually.
                  Brings up an interesting thread- that is how do we
                  undo what I assume is the NCAA screwing things
                  up royally?

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by red_n_black_attack View Post

                    Give me an example of what a contract might have in it to show the llayer has skin in the game?
                    Pro contracts often have incentives based on individual or team performance. You could give players a bonus per win and an extra bonus for milestones like an NCAA tournament berth or top half conference finish.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by sedz View Post
                      Pro contracts often have incentives based on individual or team performance. You could give players a bonus per win and an extra bonus for milestones like an NCAA tournament berth or top half conference finish.
                      I LOVE THIS IDEA!! Escalators for perfomance, both individual and team. MVP, 1st Team Conference, 1st Team All-American, etc....
                      Red and Black are more of an Attitude than merely a color combination.

                      Intimidate! Dominate! Celebrate!

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by red_n_black_attack View Post

                        I LOVE THIS IDEA!! Escalators for perfomance, both individual and team. MVP, 1st Team Conference, 1st Team All-American, etc....
                        Of course the downside to that is prospective players will always view guaranteed money as more attractive than performance based money. We'd still have to outbid other teams with the total package. NIL deals might already include escalators, who knows.

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                        • #27
                          The injury to Skillings and a dip in confidence coming back affected the game plan. Day Day should have been starting over Jizzle. Jizzle is talented but still not on the level of Day Day in terms of controlling the offense and making the best point guard decision. Day Day brought/brings a swagger that the rest of the team can feed off of, which is needed. Plus his drive and dish ability opens up the three for other players and takes the heat off our spot up shooters.

                          The injury to Skillings shifted the momentum/confidence of the entire team. Still with Wes just confused on the point guard change and trying to bring Thomas off the bench as the 6th man.

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