Sad State of Bearcat Basketball

[bearcatbret]

Leo,
What you said is partially true but look at the mid majors that are rated. I doubt if they have the $$$ financing their teams. Yes, I know that they do not have the competition but to have the records that SLU and MU have is impressive at this point in the season. I would like to think that a winning coach is a winning coach and right now, UC does not have a winning coach no matter the dollars that are invested.

[BearKatz]

Bottom line after today's Embarrassing Loss, I truly hope UC is in the process of replacing CWM!

His teams get worse and worse over the last 3yrs! Another backwards step from last years disappointing team!

I rhink this years team is more talented than last years!

But CWM simply can not coach at this level.

[bearcatlifer]

Clearly we are looking for a new head coach.Everyone involved with basketball has pretty much given up.Jalen Haynes has disappeared even though he was supposed to be able to return the second half of the season. Why would he return now? All these guys out with one problem or another are possibly just finding ways to avoid injury while they explore options for fleeing the sinking ship. Do we have anything to offer a new coach? someone chime in with some reason an established coach would want to sign on.

[leo from jersey]

Clearly we are looking for a new head coach.Everyone involved with basketball has pretty much given up.Jalen Haynes has disappeared even though he was supposed to be able to return the second half of the season. Why would he return now? All these guys out with one problem or another are possibly just finding ways to avoid injury while they explore options for fleeing the sinking ship. Do we have anything to offer a new coach? someone chime in with some reason an established coach would want to sign on.

$$$$$$$$ a chance to make it cincy reigns has some money -- as far as we know little pressure from the UC admni to win. Many think they can make it regardless, they want their shot. There is still the BIG 12 help with recruits.

[Rufus]

UC has never been a destination coaching job. Somebody with more money will always be more attractive. The best bet is some up and coming coach that can turn the program around in a short time and hope that UC can come up with money to keep him for awhile. If they can make some noise within the conference and possibly in the tournament then the job becomes more attractive. But we could get lucky land someone who has a lot to prove and have success here and maybe be content to build a reputation and not pursue money. Thats the way I see things.

[Cliftonite]

Baba with 2 points and 1-8 FG's today vs Houston, after an 18/17 game, really? 9 TO's between Day and James. Wes Miller just doesn't seem to be able to develop players. How is Abaev completely useless at this point? They have talent, that is why they beat ISU, some guys had a good day, same with Baylor. But where is the consistency? The development? The improvement?

I didn't expect them to win today, but they got blown out and scored 54 points.

Miler is one of these younger coaches who continually get wiped by the older, more traditional/experienced coaches, who come from the classic years of college bball (the one's that are left). I'm sure there are exceptions. But the style here is more akin to a pick-up game or the modern NBA. Very basic ball movement and passing, and the Guards aren't good enough to overcome it (some of the worst ball-handling by G's I've ever seen at this level of basketball in my life, going back to the 80's).

They couldn't even hit FT's the first half of the season. There's no consistency to Miller's teams, he does not seem capable of developing players or coaching them at this level. They're just treading water at this point with him. I'd say the same is going on with Satterfield, and it's just frustrating how badly that Athletic Department needs to be cleaned-out, sadly.

[bearcatbret]

UC has never been a destination coaching job. Somebody with more money will always be more attractive. The best bet is some up and coming coach that can turn the program around in a short time and hope that UC can come up with money to keep him for awhile. If they can make some noise within the conference and possibly in the tournament then the job becomes more attractive. But we could get lucky land someone who has a lot to prove and have success here and maybe be content to build a reputation and not pursue money. Thats the way I see things.

It was a destination job for Huggins until Zimpher ran him out of town. Yes, he helped her with all of his problems. Also, it was Mick's destination job until the fans ran him out of town. I wonder how Mick would perform at UC with today's NIL and paying to play schemes? Also, Mick could have sold the Big 12 to recruits instead of trying to get leftovers from the power conferences.

[BearKatz]

Is UC a more attractive destination/job for the likes of Pitino at St.Johns? Is should be, better conference, and UC should have more $$ to offer Pitino!

We need a coach that can bring this program back to the level we're all use to seeing!

[Rufus]

It was a destination job for Huggins until Zimpher ran him out of town. Yes, he helped her with all of his problems. Also, it was Mick's destination job until the fans ran him out of town. I wonder how Mick would perform at UC with today's NIL and paying to play schemes? Also, Mick could have sold the Big 12 to recruits instead of trying to get leftovers from the power conferences.

Yes Huggins was satisfied here. But in that satisfaction he got complacent and too big headed. He had no desire to go anywhere else because he was confident that he could accomplish what he wanted ( NCAA ) championship here at UC. And he probably would have won one here if he hadn't been his own worse enemy. He almost won one at West Virginia too but still no cigar.
My point is that this is the type of coach we need now. Someone who wins wherever he's been but has no sights of a dream job. If he's confident that he can recruit, win, develope players and at least contend for a championship here as did Huggins, he would have no reason to leave as long as the pay were comparable to other places. If the two persons mentioned in this post previously are potential candidates for the UC job if it becomes available I would definitely want to know if there is a coaching job elsewhere that they secretly covet. Because as soon as that job becomes open you can be sure that his agent would be privy to it and then he would be gone in a heartbeat

As far as Cronin is concerned I don't think he actually bought in on UC's legacy enough to try to sell it. And at that point, Huggins' / Kmart's record / success was all that recruits were aware of. UC's NCAA championship and the Big O were way back in the rear view mirror. And He didn't have enough name recognition to bring in a lot of big fish. And I do think Cronin felt the frustration of the fans. If he were to return he could use the B12 as does Miller as a recruiting lure but I don't think he could recruit any better now than he did before because he really hasn't done anything significant while at one of the easiest schools in the nation to recruit to. Yes he's made the tournament a few times and one sweet sixteen, but UCLA is one of a few schools where the name and rep recruits itself. Like Kansas, Gonzaga, UConn, Duke and UCLA, and some others what kid does not want to play for these schools and be a part of their legacy? But what do I know?

[swilsonsp4]

Clearly we are looking for a new head coach.Everyone involved with basketball has pretty much given up.Jalen Haynes has disappeared even though he was supposed to be able to return the second half of the season. Why would he return now? All these guys out with one problem or another are possibly just finding ways to avoid injury while they explore options for fleeing the sinking ship. Do we have anything to offer a new coach? someone chime in with some reason an established coach would want to sign on.

I see no evidence that the team has given up. They generally play poorly on the road, but not for lack of effort. Haynes has not disappeared. He's working out with the team, within the constraints that the training staff have outlined for him. There's probably no reason for him to play this year, if he has any chance of gaining an additional year. I'm not one who looks for conspiracies when players are injured.

Why would a quality coach come here? It's to run a program in the best conference in the country, with outstanding facilities here, and a history of winning (until now). The program was in far worse shape in the 1980's (no NCAA bids for 15 years after 1977) but attracted a quality coach who rebuilt the Bearcats. It can happen again.

[longtimefan]

I see no evidence that the team has given up. They generally play poorly on the road, but not for lack of effort. Haynes has not disappeared. He's working out with the team, within the constraints that the training staff have outlined for him. There's probably no reason for him to play this year, if he has any chance of gaining an additional year. I'm not one who looks for conspiracies when players are injured.

Why would a quality coach come here? It's to run a program in the best conference in the country, with outstanding facilities here, and a history of winning (until now). The program was in far worse shape in the 1980's (no NCAA bids for 15 years after 1977) but attracted a quality coach who rebuilt the Bearcats. It can happen again.

Coach Yates actually started the turnaround, bringing in better recruits like Roger McClendon, Lavertis Robinson, Lou Banks, Kieth Starks. But there came a time when he took the team as far as he could. When Huggins came on, he had a pretty solid foundation in place. (McClendon was gone by then.) and a good start at growing the program. It won’t be that way if a new coach replaces CWM, we’ll likely start with zero players, in the spring, and another long rebuild ahead. Thing is, with the current situation the player agents are already trying to cut new deals for our current roster, unafraid of any enforcement actions. Whatever happens, UC basketball faces a long, tough road.

[swilsonsp4]

Whatever happens, UC basketball faces a long, tough road.

Perhaps, perhaps not. The issue I was addressing was why a quality coach would come here. If he's truly a difference maker, the transition will be much smoother and quicker.

[leeraymond372@gmail.com]

Yes Huggins was satisfied here. But in that satisfaction he got complacent and too big headed. He had no desire to go anywhere else because he was confident that he could accomplish what he wanted ( NCAA ) championship here at UC. And he probably would have won one here if he hadn't been his own worse enemy. He almost won one at West Virginia too but still no cigar.
My point is that this is the type of coach we need now. Someone who wins wherever he's been but has no sights of a dream job. If he's confident that he can recruit, win, develope players and at least contend for a championship here as did Huggins, he would have no reason to leave as long as the pay were comparable to other places. If the two persons mentioned in this post previously are potential candidates for the UC job if it becomes available I would definitely want to know if there is a coaching job elsewhere that they secretly covet. Because as soon as that job becomes open you can be sure that his agent would be privy to it and then he would be gone in a heartbeat

As far as Cronin is concerned I don't think he actually bought in on UC's legacy enough to try to sell it. And at that point, Huggins' / Kmart's record / success was all that recruits were aware of. UC's NCAA championship and the Big O were way back in the rear view mirror. And He didn't have enough name recognition to bring in a lot of big fish. And I do think Cronin felt the frustration of the fans. If he were to return he could use the B12 as does Miller as a recruiting lure but I don't think he could recruit any better now than he did before because he really hasn't done anything significant while at one of the easiest schools in the nation to recruit to. Yes he's made the tournament a few times and one sweet sixteen, but UCLA is one of a few schools where the name and rep recruits itself. Like Kansas, Gonzaga, UConn, Duke and UCLA, and some others what kid does not want to play for these schools and be a part of their legacy? But what do I know?

Remember too that Cronin took UCLA to a Final Four the year after the COVID year. Also, during the short time that he has been at UCLA, he has had more guys to get drafted into the NBA than all the years that he spent at UC. I know that UCLA is a Blue Blood school, so the recruiting is a lot better there.

[Rufus]

I see no evidence that the team has given up. They generally play poorly on the road, but not for lack of effort. Haynes has not disappeared. He's working out with the team, within the constraints that the training staff have outlined for him. There's probably no reason for him to play this year, if he has any chance of gaining an additional year. I'm not one who looks for conspiracies when players are injured .

I don't see any giving up in some of the players but what I do see see, which is even more depressing is players players feeling defeated before the game has started, especially against teams that are ranked higher than they and more especially against Houston. You can see the defeat in their demeanor. For example Day Day was so intimidated Saturday that he couldn't do anything in the game except turn over the ball. Baba Miller typically vanishes against the stiffer competition. But all of this is common knowledge to everyone at this point.

[leeraymond372@gmail.com]

I see no evidence that the team has given up. They generally play poorly on the road, but not for lack of effort. Haynes has not disappeared. He's working out with the team, within the constraints that the training staff have outlined for him. There's probably no reason for him to play this year, if he has any chance of gaining an additional year. I'm not one who looks for conspiracies when players are injured.

Why would a quality coach come here? It's to run a program in the best conference in the country, with outstanding facilities here, and a history of winning (until now). The program was in far worse shape in the 1980's (no NCAA bids for 15 years after 1977) but attracted a quality coach who rebuilt the Bearcats. It can happen again.

I agree with you. In the grand scheme of things in college basketball, UC is one the winningness programs in college basketball history. Based on AI research, UC has the 12th winningest program in college basketball history with over 1900 wins. To me, that is a very impressive selling point to any recruit.

Rashad Cobb, UC guard who played under Cronin, once said that a recruit is looking for a number of things when he picks a school: 1) does the program win games? 2) Does the program routinely play in the NCAA Tournament? 3) Does the program get exposure and play on TV? Historically speaking, UC can check all of those boxes. I will take it one step further and add that UC also has its share of guys that have been drafted and played a significant amount of years in the NBA. For God sakes, UC has two NBA Hall of Famers.

Although Miller has not had much success in conference play, he has yet to have a losing season. It has been almost 2 decades since UC has had a losing record. The problem is Miller loses too many games.

I too believe that if UC can find a good fit in a coach, he would stay for many years. UC is a good destination for the right coach. One of the best conferences in the country and on national TV all of the time. The best recruits in the country want to play against the best on TV. You don't get too much better than the BIG XII.

UC has more than enough to attract good recruits if the coach is good.