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  • London 'Cat
    Super Moderator
    • Mar 2007
    • 4319

    #331
    Williams was a HOF coach, no doubt. But, he always had the blue blood program to which to recruit. Would he have been the same coach at a school without that pedigree? We will never know but one has to wonder if it was his coaching or the fact that he had superior players to coach that brought him to all those wins. I think of all those years he was a Kansas and they choked in the NCAAs so many times.

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    • leo from jersey
      Veteran
      • Apr 2007
      • 6174

      #332
      Originally posted by London 'Cat
      Williams was a HOF coach, no doubt. But, he always had the blue blood program to which to recruit. Would he have been the same coach at a school without that pedigree? We will never know but one has to wonder if it was his coaching or the fact that he had superior players to coach that brought him to all those wins. I think of all those years he was a Kansas and they choked in the NCAAs so many times.
      You may be on to something as he was the HC at only 2 schools, but he won the NC at both. What he does seem to have passed on to CWM is the ability to recruit. Among his recruits were Paul Pierce at Kansas and he was the main recruiter for Michael Jordan at North Carolina.

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      • Gmann
        Distinguished Member
        • Feb 2019
        • 798

        #333
        Originally posted by London 'Cat
        Williams was a HOF coach, no doubt. But, he always had the blue blood program to which to recruit. Would he have been the same coach at a school without that pedigree? We will never know but one has to wonder if it was his coaching or the fact that he had superior players to coach that brought him to all those wins. I think of all those years he was a Kansas and they choked in the NCAAs so many times.
        Yes. Williams always seemed to have a wealth of talent but I never thought of him as a great tactical genius. In the same vein I have felt for some time that Miller is a much better recruiter than developement or use of the talent.

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        • BearKatz
          Veteran
          • Oct 2014
          • 3205

          #334
          Originally posted by bearcatbret
          Bob Huggins on Wes Miller via UC Legends Unplugged podcast:
          "I think he has done a terrific job coaching them. He gets them to play hard. They have gotten really good players."
          I saw this on social media and the comment section replies were pretty brutal.

          As others said, Coach Huggins making those comments on social media was being politically correct. I can't see him throwing a current UC Coach under the bus. I have a feeling it would be a totally different story if you were having a one on one with Huggs. I think he would give a different opinion on the current state of UC Basketball.

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          • leo from jersey
            Veteran
            • Apr 2007
            • 6174

            #335
            Originally posted by BearKatz


            As others said, Coach Huggins making those comments on social media was being politically correct. I can't see him throwing a current UC Coach under the bus. I have a feeling it would be a totally different story if you were having a one on one with Huggs. I think he would give a different opinion on the current state of UC Basketball.
            could you imagine the outcry from the fans if Huggs threw him under the bus. How would the remainder of the season be. What if CWM is retained. Huggs loves UC.

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            • leo from jersey
              Veteran
              • Apr 2007
              • 6174

              #336
              One more observation. When Huggs is making those positive statements , look at terry's facial reaction. priceless. Here they are talking about how Huggs could not tolerate anything but hard work leading to good basketball, and now he is tolerating wretched BB. Terry and Cory know Huggs better than that. Look at Terry's face.

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              • SKell82155
                Member
                • Mar 2022
                • 252

                #337
                Figured this was the most appropriate thread- Lance McAllister tonight basically reiterated what I’m seeing on this forum.
                CWM post game reaction telltaling his unreadiness for this level of coaching. Said he seemed ready to crack & called for his buyout now, for his own health & the good of the program.
                Also mentioned Jerrod Calhoun as a person to keep an eye on.

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                • Rufus
                  Veteran
                  • Apr 2019
                  • 2684

                  #338
                  If Calhoun turns out to be the pick, and if he can coach in the B12 conference, and can recruit, he fits the mold previously discussed. He's won at every stop, at the DII level, but what I did notice is he has ties to UC. On paper he looks attractive, but only time will tell.

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                  • swilsonsp4
                    Veteran
                    • Apr 2007
                    • 5062

                    #339
                    Originally posted by SKell82155
                    Figured this was the most appropriate thread- Lance McAllister tonight basically reiterated what I’m seeing on this forum.
                    CWM post game reaction telltaling his unreadiness for this level of coaching. Said he seemed ready to crack & called for his buyout now, for his own health & the good of the program.
                    Also mentioned Jerrod Calhoun as a person to keep an eye on.
                    While it's increasingly obvious that this is the end of the road here for CWM, I doubt that any decision is announced until after the Bearcats' final game. There's too much chance that players would announce their intentions to transfer (given eligibility remaining). UC still has to put a team on the floor.

                    As to when John Cunningham will make it official depends upon whether he knows that the current nearly $10M buyout is secured first. I'm pretty sure he doesn't want to have to wait for that number to drop to roughly $4.5M on 4/1/26. He probably has feelers out to coaches' agents now, but that must be done very discretely. The earlier he can get someone on board, the better.

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                    • bearcatbret
                      Veteran
                      • May 2008
                      • 8373

                      #340
                      This does not say anything new but it does reinforce the need for a change.
                      Cincinnati Coach Wes Miller Responds After Another Crushing Home Loss | Fanrecap.com

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                      • Rufus
                        Veteran
                        • Apr 2019
                        • 2684

                        #341
                        [QUOTE=swilsonsp4;n432498]

                        While it's increasingly obvious that this is the end of the road here for CWM, I doubt that any decision is announced until after the Bearcats' final game. There's too much chance that players would announce their intentions to transfer (given eligibility remaining). UC still has to put a team on the floor. QUOTE]

                        Sadly, most of the players already know where they're going as soon as the last game is played. If not, you can be sure that they have their agents working as we speak to assure that they don't miss a paycheck. I'm betting that we have a total roster of players turnover to begin the season next year. The new coach ( if there is one ) will bring some of his players with him if he thinks they are capable of playing at this level.

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                        • leeraymond372@gmail.com
                          Member
                          • Jul 2025
                          • 249

                          #342
                          There are nine (9) games left to play including the one tournament game. I hope that UC basketball does not tank the rest of the season. I hope that, despite everything, UC basketball tries to win every game.

                          Although the season looks like it is a bust, I hope that UC basketball does not give up on the rest of the season.

                          You never know what can happen until you try.
                          Last edited by leeraymond372@gmail.com; 02-07-2026, 11:01 AM.

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                          • bearcatbret
                            Veteran
                            • May 2008
                            • 8373

                            #343
                            Well, OSU just knocked off BYU at home. I do not believe that translates into UC winning out.

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                            • leo from jersey
                              Veteran
                              • Apr 2007
                              • 6174

                              #344
                              Originally posted by leeraymond372@gmail.com
                              There are nine (9) games left to play including the one tournament game. I hope that UC basketball does not tank the rest of the season. I hope that, despite everything, UC basketball tries to win every game.

                              Although the season looks like it is a bust, I hope that UC basketball does not give up on the rest of the season.

                              You never know what can happen until you try.
                              There is never an excuse for quitting, but what can the players think after hearing CWM basically cry on the radio. It is time to suck it up and play regardless of CWM. The question I have is if these young men have any heart after being paid and waiting on their next payday.

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                              • Rufus
                                Veteran
                                • Apr 2019
                                • 2684

                                #345
                                Originally posted by Rufus
                                If Calhoun turns out to be the pick, and if he can coach in the B12 conference, and can recruit, he fits the mold previously discussed. He's won at every stop, at the DII level, but what I did notice is he has ties to UC. On paper he looks attractive, but only time will tell.
                                But on the other hand, his team is dead last in the same conference as UC. And a sure way to honk off a lot of people is by hiring a coach from within the conference.

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