Baylor 1/28 6:30 FS1

[leo from jersey]

so is he NBA ready CWM said he would be in the league this year

[SKell82155]

Anybody rebound besides Baba ?
Thiam should be getting more for sure.

[BearKatz]

Anybody rebound besides Baba ?
Thiam should be getting more for sure.

You would think Thiam would avg 7-10 a night. He's lucky to pull down 2 or 3.

[BearKatz]

Anybody rebound besides Baba ?
Thiam should be getting more for sure.

Second leading rebounder tonight is Thomas. Another glaring problem with this team.

[leo from jersey]

well a win is always enjoyable and beating Skillings makes it great

[BearKatz]

Cats made a liar out of me! I said we wouldn't win more than two games the rest of the season. That's their third win, when your wrong, your wrong!

On the other hand CWM is a little delusional! During the post game interview. We beat a Great Baylor Team! SMH! Nothing great about 11-9!

[London 'Cat]

You would think Thiam would avg 7-10 a night. He's lucky to pull down 2 or 3.

Thiam is a finesse player. He is not a post player, willing to mix it up against opponents. He is soft.

[SKell82155]

Thiam is a finesse player. He is not a post player, willing to mix it up against opponents. He is soft.

Agree, but by virtue of his height & with a little effort positioning one would think he could do better ?

[Pruke]

Thiam is a finesse player. He is not a post player, willing to mix it up against opponents. He is soft.

So is his coach. Mamadou Ndiae was that type of player for the Denver Nuggets. Not surprising that’s what being taught

[sedz]

67 points in 68 possessions, falling short of a point per possession yet again facing another bad defense (third worst in the conference). Luckily for us, Baylor was throwing up bricks all night. We held them to 0.83 points per possession, their worst output of the season. Baylor was 6 of 26 from three and 3 for 13 from midrange. Ouch. We ran the same old Wes Miller scheme, putting up a whopping 23 midrange shots compared to just 10 rim attempts.

Baba was our best player with 6.5 net points. 12 from the field on 12 shots plus 6 for 6 at the line (with help from a lane violation), 3 assists, and a ridiculous 17 rebounds. Jizzle was second best with 4.1 net points, making 5 of 6 from deep. Kriisa and Rodriguez tied for third best, each with 2 steals. Day Day was also on the positive side with 4 assists and 6 rebounds.

Celestine was our worst player, scoring just 4 from the field on 10 shots. Tillery was second worst, turning the ball over 4 times in just 9 minutes and the only player with a negative DBPM. McKinley was third worst, scoreless with 2 rebounds and no other stats in 10 minutes. Thiam was just on the negative side. He needed 13 shots to score 12 from the field and had no assists and only 4 rebounds in 28 minutes. He put up 11 midrange shots but only got to the rim once.

[BearKatz]

Thiam is a finesse player. He is not a post player, willing to mix it up against opponents. He is soft.

I get it, he's a finesse player. But as Skell82155 said, with minimal effort at 7'1" the guy should be pulling down at least 5-7rbs a game. Soft or not, help the team win by pulling down some rebounds.

[leo from jersey]

I get it, he's a finesse player. But as Skell82155 said, with minimal effort at 7'1" the guy should be pulling down at least 5-7rbs a game. Soft or not, help the team win by pulling down some rebounds.

good logic ---- he is weak and that starts in the head -- I wonder what he would be like with a coach who expected better effort. Could you imagine Huggs and him. The lid goes on the basket and thus every shot has to be rebounded.

[sedz]

Part of the issue for Thiam's total rebounding numbers is that Baba rebounds 30% of misses so there aren't too many defensive rebounds left. That's probably by design. If you want to play fast, you need either a ballhandler or a good outlet passer grabbing the defensive board. Baba can start the break, Thiam can't. Brannen used to do that when we had Chris Vogt. The big man's role was just to box out his counterpart and leave the rebound for David DeJulius and Mason Madsen, who had much higher DReb rates. That was the highest tempo team we've had in decades. DDJ and Madsen's numbers took a nosedive when Wes took over because of the scheme change. Now we're playing at the fastest pace we've had under Wes, partly because we start possessions with the ball in the hands of a playmaker instead of Thiam.

All of that is why I look at offensive rebounding rates as a measure of rebounding skill, since it is less dependent on scheme. Thiam's numbers are underwhelming. Typically you want to get 10% OReb from the 5 spot, which is exactly what Thiam put up last year. This year he is only at 8%, though in top 100 games he's at 10%. So from a metrics standpoint I agree that Thiam could be doing a bit better on the glass.

The bigger problem is on the wing. We should be getting 6% OReb there. Harris is at 5.4% which is decent, but Celestine, Abaev, and Rodriguez are all under 4%. It's tough to be a good offensive rebounding team if the backcourt doesn't chip in.

[bearcatbret]

The final eight minutes were just terrible on the offensive side of the ball. Good thing that Baylor was even worse.

[leo from jersey]

Part of the issue for Thiam's total rebounding numbers is that Baba rebounds 30% of misses so there aren't too many defensive rebounds left. That's probably by design. If you want to play fast, you need either a ballhandler or a good outlet passer grabbing the defensive board. Baba can start the break, Thiam can't. Brannen used to do that when we had Chris Vogt. The big man's role was just to box out his counterpart and leave the rebound for David DeJulius and Mason Madsen, who had much higher DReb rates. That was the highest tempo team we've had in decades. DDJ and Madsen's numbers took a nosedive when Wes took over because of the scheme change. Now we're playing at the fastest pace we've had under Wes, partly because we start possessions with the ball in the hands of a playmaker instead of Thiam.

All of that is why I look at offensive rebounding rates as a measure of rebounding skill, since it is less dependent on scheme. Thiam's numbers are underwhelming. Typically you want to get 10% OReb from the 5 spot, which is exactly what Thiam put up last year. This year he is only at 8%, though in top 100 games he's at 10%. So from a metrics standpoint I agree that Thiam could be doing a bit better on the glass.

The bigger problem is on the wing. We should be getting 6% OReb there. Harris is at 5.4% which is decent, but Celestine, Abaev, and Rodriguez are all under 4%. It's tough to be a good offensive rebounding team if the backcourt doesn't chip in.

does Thiam box out or just watches. There are many opportunities which I have seen, that with any effort he would have gotten the rebound. Again, as Sir Charles Barkley said -- any knucklehead can shoot, it takes a bb player to rebound. Rebounds should come easy to those with height in this day and age when few box out or even make n effort to get the ball.. It frustrates me to see players watching and often someone runs in and grabs it.