Baylor 1/28 6:30 FS1

[BearKatz]

Part of the issue for

The bigger problem is on the wing. We should be getting 6% OReb there. Harris is at 5.4% which is decent, but Celestine, Abaev, and Rodriguez are all under 4%. It's tough to be a good offensive rebounding team if the backcourt doesn't chip in.

Totally agree, and that's the problem! We get zero most nights from our wings. It takes Thomas & James to make up for there lack of rebounding.

[bearcatlifer]

@ good comments I heard at the game last night: Celestine is not a shooter. He just likes to shoot. And Skillings is doing what Skillings does.

[leeraymond372@gmail.com]

Hooray for UC! First win all season on national TV. This was a weird game, sort of. Although UC's big men dominated Baylor's big men (32 points and 21 rebounds to 9 points and 10 rebounds), Baylor outscored UC in the paint 34 to 24. Baylor also, outrebounded UC. Additionally, Baylor has made a living getting to the free throw line in conference play. It normally takes 22 foul shots a game. Last night Baylor only attempted 9 free throws and hit 5 of them. In fact, UC outshot Baylor at the free throw line 78% to 55.6%. When is the last time that has happened? On the other hand, believe it or not, UC is shooting 71% from the foul line in conference play and its opponents are shooting 67.9%. Go figure.

Too bad that the rest of the games for the season cannot be home games. UC now has an 11-2 and 3-1 home and conference home record so far this season.

I have a question. What if UC can win its remaining home games (WV, UCF, Utah, OSU, and BYU). That would make UC 16-2 at home on the season with a few Q1 wins. Would that be enough to save Miller? Hey, let's not get ahead of ourselves. One game at a time.

[swilsonsp4]

Hooray for UC! First win all season on national TV. This was a weird game, sort of. Although UC's big men dominated Baylor's big men (32 points and 21 rebounds to 9 points and 10 rebounds), Baylor outscored UC in the paint 34 to 24. Baylor also, outrebounded UC. Additionally, Baylor has made a living getting to the free throw line in conference play. It normally gets to the foul line about 22 times a game. Last night Baylor only attempted 9 free throws and hit 5 of them. In fact, UC outshot Baylor at the free throw line 78% to 55.6%. When is the last time that has happened? On the other hand, believe it or not, UC is shooting 71% from the foul line in conference play and its opponents are shooting 67.9%. Go figure.

Too bad that the rest of the games for the season cannot be home games. UC now has an 11-2 and 3-1 home and conference home record so far this season.

I have a question. What if UC can win its remaining home games (WV, UCF, Utah, OSU, and BYU). That would make UC 16-2 at home on the season with a few Q1 wins. Would that be enough to save Miller? Hey, let's not get ahead of ourselves. One game at a time.

That would be 2 Q1 wins (IA State & BYU). None of the others are in the Top 30, which is the max for a Q1 home game. The closest would be UCF @ #39.

[longtimefan]

Thiam is a finesse player. He is not a post player, willing to mix it up against opponents. He is soft.

He’s 19 years old. If he’s still playing college ball at 22-23, he might be totally different, or not.

[leo from jersey]

He’s 19 years old. If he’s still playing college ball at 22-23, he might be totally different, or not.

The fire starts in one's youth. The distain for contact does too.

[longtimefan]

Kenyon Martin averaged 3 rebounds per game as a freshman.

[BearKatz]

Kenyon Martin averaged 3 rebounds per game as a freshman.

You're comparing an apple to an orange.

Didn't Martin also avg less minutes than what Thiam is currently playing? Also Thiam is a Soph? So he's not exactly that green.

[bearcat1518]

You're comparing an apple to an orange.

Didn't Martin also avg less minutes than what Thiam is currently playing? Also Thiam is a Soph? So he's not exactly that green.

Exactly. Kenyon averaged 3.4 REB in just 10.6 Minutes per game - which equates to 1 REB every 3 minutes. Extrapolate led to match Thiam’s 26 MPG and that would equate to 8.6 REB per game for a 6’8” freshman .

[leo from jersey]

You're comparing an apple to an orange.

Didn't Martin also avg less minutes than what Thiam is currently playing? Also Thiam is a Soph? So he's not exactly that green.

I was going to say that. KMart wasn't the starter> He had Danny Fortson, Reuben Patterson and Bobby Brannen getting the rebounds. He wasn't counted on but getting 3.4 with those other guys showed he dug in. His second year he had 9.

[SKell82155]

Part of the issue for Thiam's total rebounding numbers is that Baba rebounds 30% of misses so there aren't too many defensive rebounds left. That's probably by design. If you want to play fast, you need either a ballhandler or a good outlet passer grabbing the defensive board. Baba can start the break, Thiam can't. Brannen used to do that when we had Chris Vogt. The big man's role was just to box out his counterpart and leave the rebound for David DeJulius and Mason Madsen, who had much higher DReb rates. That was the highest tempo team we've had in decades. DDJ and Madsen's numbers took a nosedive when Wes took over because of the scheme change. Now we're playing at the fastest pace we've had under Wes, partly because we start possessions with the ball in the hands of a playmaker instead of Thiam.

All of that is why I look at offensive rebounding rates as a measure of rebounding skill, since it is less dependent on scheme. Thiam's numbers are underwhelming. Typically you want to get 10% OReb from the 5 spot, which is exactly what Thiam put up last year. This year he is only at 8%, though in top 100 games he's at 10%. So from a metrics standpoint I agree that Thiam could be doing a bit better on the glass.

The bigger problem is on the wing. We should be getting 6% OReb there. Harris is at 5.4% which is decent, but Celestine, Abaev, and Rodriguez are all under 4%. It's tough to be a good offensive rebounding team if the backcourt doesn't chip in.

Interesting stuff SEDZ

[SKell82155]

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Totally agree, and that's the problem! We get zero most nights from our wings. It takes Thomas & James to make up for there lack of rebounding.

Which makes me wonder what happened to Jalen Haynes ?
Thought he was starting to shoot around back in early to mid December ? He woulda undoubtedly helped I think.

[SKell82155]

Part of the issue for Thiam's total rebounding numbers is that Baba rebounds 30% of misses so there aren't too many defensive rebounds left. That's probably by design. If you want to play fast, you need either a ballhandler or a good outlet passer grabbing the defensive board. Baba can start the break, Thiam can't. Brannen used to do that when we had Chris Vogt. The big man's role was just to box out his counterpart and leave the rebound for David DeJulius and Mason Madsen, who had much higher DReb rates. That was the highest tempo team we've had in decades. DDJ and Madsen's numbers took a nosedive when Wes took over because of the scheme change. Now we're playing at the fastest pace we've had under Wes, partly because we start possessions with the ball in the hands of a playmaker instead of Thiam.

All of that is why I look at offensive rebounding rates as a measure of rebounding skill, since it is less dependent on scheme. Thiam's numbers are underwhelming. Typically you want to get 10% OReb from the 5 spot, which is exactly what Thiam put up last year. This year he is only at 8%, though in top 100 games he's at 10%. So from a metrics standpoint I agree that Thiam could be doing a bit better on the glass.

The bigger problem is on the wing. We should be getting 6% OReb there. Harris is at 5.4% which is decent, but Celestine, Abaev, and Rodriguez are all under 4%. It's tough to be a good offensive rebounding team if the backcourt doesn't chip in.

Interesting stuff SEDZ

[leeraymond372@gmail.com]

Part of the issue for Thiam's total rebounding numbers is that Baba rebounds 30% of misses so there aren't too many defensive rebounds left. That's probably by design. If you want to play fast, you need either a ballhandler or a good outlet passer grabbing the defensive board. Baba can start the break, Thiam can't. Brannen used to do that when we had Chris Vogt. The big man's role was just to box out his counterpart and leave the rebound for David DeJulius and Mason Madsen, who had much higher DReb rates. That was the highest tempo team we've had in decades. DDJ and Madsen's numbers took a nosedive when Wes took over because of the scheme change. Now we're playing at the fastest pace we've had under Wes, partly because we start possessions with the ball in the hands of a playmaker instead of Thiam.

All of that is why I look at offensive rebounding rates as a measure of rebounding skill, since it is less dependent on scheme. Thiam's numbers are underwhelming. Typically you want to get 10% OReb from the 5 spot, which is exactly what Thiam put up last year. This year he is only at 8%, though in top 100 games he's at 10%. So from a metrics standpoint I agree that Thiam could be doing a bit better on the glass.

The bigger problem is on the wing. We should be getting 6% OReb there. Harris is at 5.4% which is decent, but Celestine, Abaev, and Rodriguez are all under 4%. It's tough to be a good offensive rebounding team if the backcourt doesn't chip in.

Yeah. When Houston is really tough on the offensive boards, the guards and wings also rebound.

[leeraymond372@gmail.com]

You would think Thiam would avg 7-10 a night. He's lucky to pull down 2 or 3.

If Thiam is drafted, all NBA indicators point in that direction, he will be drafted as a center. Part of his responsibilities will be to rebound. Thiam will have to gain some weight and some toughness to play on the inside if he is going to survive in the NBA. I am sure the big-time money will encourage him to toughen up.