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  • UC proved that we could compete in the Big East beating the likes of Pitt, Louisville, WV, and the rest of them. I suspect that the end game by the power brokers will be to add teams to conferences, merge conferences, change names of conferences, and lose the dead weight of teams that are annual basement dwealers.

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    • Originally posted by bearcatbret View Post
      UC proved that we could compete in the Big East beating the likes of Pitt, Louisville, WV, and the rest of them. I suspect that the end game by the power brokers will be to add teams to conferences, merge conferences, change names of conferences, and lose the dead weight of teams that are annual basement dwealers.
      I doubt they will drop the basement dwellers like Vandy, GT, Duke, Tennessee, IU, Illinois, etc... because they do rotate through some good years too. Plus you have to have someone to lose and the "big boys" don't want it to be them. I can see some movement into larger conferences or affiliations. I don't think that means UC will be in the same conference as 'Bama or Central State College in Columbus (the one in Ohio). As many have pointed out, look at what Cincy has done with one fourth the budget or less. We will see some kind of scheduling affiliation at least that gives more tv revenue, maybe not as much as SEC or the B!G, possibly even a membership in expanded conference.

      Side note: bigger conferences allow for more marquee games, but you can't play everyone even in a two year period. I predict as we get into divisions, there will be a dominant team or two in each division and some of the "big boys" be be dominated several years in a row.
      Red and Black are more of an Attitude than merely a color combination.

      Intimidate! Dominate! Celebrate!

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      • let's hope PAC goes to 16, BIG takes Kansas/IA State and goes to 16, ACC follows suit and adds us/WVU (best case scenario)

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        • The Athletic broke the story on the Bowlsby-Kliavkoff talks. Here's their report ($):

          https://theathletic.com/2749212/2021...esday-sources/

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          • Originally posted by Lobot View Post
            Big 12 and PAC 12 are discussing a scheduling alliance and possible merger today.
            AP wrote it up .

            http://apne.ws/GpLHYB6

            This is the correct but it keeps crashing on me. Anyone else.
            Last edited by Lobot; 08-03-2021, 05:44 PM.
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            • Here's the text of the AP article. It doesn't break any new ground:

              "The commissioners of the Pac-12 and Big 12 met Tuesday to discuss how the conferences might benefit from working together or maybe even merging.

              Two people with knowledge of the meeting said Big 12 Commissioner Bob Bowlsby and George Kliavkoff from the Pac-12 were discussing the potential for strategic planning between the two conferences.

              The people spoke to The Associated Press on condition of anonymity because the leagues were not immediately sharing details of internal discussions. The Athletic was first to report the meeting.

              The Big 12 is trying to regroup after being stunned by Texas and Oklahoma’s decision to move to the Southeastern Conference. For now, the move is scheduled for 2025, but the Big 12 has to start looking at how to move forward without their flagship programs immediately.

              The remaining eight Big 12 schools —- Texas Tech, TCU, Baylor, Kansas, Kansas State, Iowa State, Oklahoma State and West Virginia —- are facing a huge drop in the value of their next television contract without Texas and Oklahoma in the conference.

              The Big 12′s current TV deal runs out in 2025
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              Bowlsby told Texas lawmakers at a hearing in Austin on Monday that losing Texas and Oklahoma could slash the conference’s television revenue by about 50%. He said the TV deals accounted for about $280 million in revenue distributed to the schools.

              The Pac-12′s current television deal is similar in value to the Big 12′s and expires in 2024.

              Kilavkoff, a former MGM executive who took over as Pac-12 commissioner on July 1, has said the conference is in no rush to add meThe commissioners of the Pac-12 and Big 12 met Tuesday to discuss how the conferences might benefit from working together or maybe even merging.

              Two people with knowledge of the meeting said Big 12 Commissioner Bob Bowlsby and George Kliavkoff from the Pac-12 were discussing the potential for strategic planning between the two conferences.
              The people spoke to The Associated Press on condition of anonymity because the leagues were not immediately sharing details of internal discussions. The Athletic was first to report the meeting.

              The Big 12 is trying to regroup after being stunned by Texas and Oklahoma’s decision to move to the Southeastern Conference. For now, the move is scheduled for 2025, but the Big 12 has to start looking at how to move forward without their flagship programs immediately.

              The remaining eight Big 12 schools —- Texas Tech, TCU, Baylor, Kansas, Kansas State, Iowa State, Oklahoma State and West Virginia —- are facing a huge drop in the value of their next television contract without Texas and Oklahoma in the conference.

              The Big 12′s current TV deal runs out in 2025. Bowlsby told Texas lawmakers at a hearing in Austin on Monday that losing Texas and Oklahoma could slash the conference’s television revenue by about 50%
              mbers to a 12-member league that includes Southern California, Oregon, Stanford and Washington.

              A full merger of the Big 12 and Pac-12 would create a 20-team conference with schools in every major U.S. time zone.

              The conferences could also consider an scheduling agreement or alliance that creates regular nonconference matchups in high-profile sports of football and basketball as a way of potentially increasing the value of each league’s next TV deals, one of the people familiar with the meeting told AP."

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              • https://www.cbssports.com/college-ba...n-by-football/

                "This makes a report from CBS Sports' Dennis Dodd that Big 12 commissioner Bob Bowlsby and Pac-12 commissioner George Kliavkoff met Tuesday to discuss scheduling possibilities, or even a potential merger, an interesting development. But as The Athletic's Stewart Mandel quickly pointed out on Twitter, a full merger between the Pac-12 and Big 12 doesn't really make sense -- at least not for the Pac-12. So a more likely scenario is the Pac-12 taking some Big 12 schools instead of merging with all Big 12 schools (if the Pac-12 even takes any Big 12 schools at all). And what's even more likely than that, most sources believe, is the Big 12 eventually poaching AAC schools in an attempt to just become the best version of a lessened league that it can become.

                That won't excite Kansas or Baylor or Oklahoma State -- but it could be massive for schools like UCF, Cincinnati, Houston, Memphis and SMU, all of which have solid television markets and football programs that have enjoyed recent success. As previously noted, basketball doesn't move the needle much in realignment conversations; consider that point understood. But, that said, there's no denying that adding some combination of those AAC schools could enhance the Big 12's basketball product."

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                • There is a massive cultural difference between the remaining 8 B12 schools and the PAC. Also, the travel and time difference which really hurts PAC tv really make those alliances a bad fit. Dodd's observations are spot on. However, it's a big waste of time to discuss as TV money in the end will likely rule the day as these schools are going to take a hair cut one way or the other.

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                  • What is really upsetting is that no matter what scenario actually occurs (other than an invite to the AAC ) leaves UC as a mere afterthought, tag along, or ugly step child which is a huge gut punch to coach fickle and what hes accomplished with the football program

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                    • Originally posted by Rufus View Post
                      What is really upsetting is that no matter what scenario actually occurs (other than an invite to the AAC ) leaves UC as a mere afterthought, tag along, or ugly step child which is a huge gut punch to coach fickle and what hes accomplished with the football program
                      We can all thank tO$U for that. The fact that it wants to be the only P(x) school in the state of Ohio and the lengths it will go to remain so will forever preclude UC from becoming a P(x) school.

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                      • Here's an ariticle from theathletic.com ($) that quotes Mike Aresco throughout. He's not showing his cards in the realignment atmosphere:

                        https://theathletic.com/2753182/2021...e-realignment/

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                        • Realignment reset: The Athletic writers draft new college football conferences from scratch – The Athletic Here is an article with a theory of a whole new conference realignment.

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                          • Originally posted by London 'Cat View Post

                            We can all thank tO$U for that. The fact that it wants to be the only P(x) school in the state of Ohio and the lengths it will go to remain so will forever preclude UC from becoming a P(x) school.
                            This is the reasoning I used over the past few years suggesting we are a fit for the SEC. Granted I thought the SEC would jump to 20 teams taking 3-4 Big 12 teams and 2-3, AAC teams with Texass, OU, Ok St, UCF, and UC, then either SMU, Memphis, or ISU. The argument for UC is threefold,

                            1. proximity to NKy and we're essentially a southern city with a great sports depth and Football

                            2. Great recruiting hotbed

                            3. Just to stick it to tO$U

                            I know, not a chance, pipe dream stuff, but same argument for ISU and UCF, to put SEC stamp firmly in B1G or ACC states.
                            Red and Black are more of an Attitude than merely a color combination.

                            Intimidate! Dominate! Celebrate!

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                            • I don’t see that happening.

                              1. Nobody in Alabama, Florida, or Louisiana see Cincy as a southern city. Tuberville certainly didn’t. ****, they think Kentucky is northern.
                              2. That might mean something to the ACC or the B12, not the SEC.
                              3. Clemson and the ACC might be more persuaded on that one.

                              The Big 10 would mean drivable road games to O$U, Indiana, Purdue, Northwestern, MSU, Michigan, and maybe Penn State, all closer than the closest AAC school. Obviously our best fit. Too bad the Ohio Legislature would never force it.

                              Failing that, it’s ACC, or stay in an enhanced American. Just keep winning and over achieving, and see what happens.

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                              • Originally posted by longtimefan View Post
                                I don’t see that happening.

                                1. Nobody in Alabama, Florida, or Louisiana see Cincy as a southern city. Tuberville certainly didn’t. ****, they think Kentucky is northern.
                                2. That might mean something to the ACC or the B12, not the SEC.
                                3. Clemson and the ACC might be more persuaded on that one.

                                The Big 10 would mean drivable road games to O$U, Indiana, Purdue, Northwestern, MSU, Michigan, and maybe Penn State, all closer than the closest AAC school. Obviously our best fit. Too bad the Ohio Legislature would never force it.

                                Failing that, it’s ACC, or stay in an enhanced American. Just keep winning and over achieving, and see what happens.
                                Unfortunately I totally agree. The only way into the B$G is by resolution of the Ohio Legislature and that just won't happen.

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