Current State of UC Football Program

[Lobot]

How did we end up with Satterfield?

No one else was interested in getting beat up going into the Big 12?

Did the donors and boosters push for Satterfield vs a younger, up and coming coach?

Seems to me that the meteoric rise of Marcus Freeman really screwed up everything – he would have been the perfect replacement for Fickell.

We had other options in up and coming coaches and opted for someone with head coaching experience.

One particular donor seems to be the one that really pulled the trigger on this after it was made known to UC folks that Satterfield was available.

I think Marcus Freeman would have been preferable to Satterfield for sure. That ND position was Fickell's dream job outside of OSU. UC going to the CFP messed up the timing for Fickell. Had we not made the CFP, Fickell would have been gone to ND a year earlier instead of Wisconsin and Freeman probably would have been our head coach.

Speaking of not lighting things on fire, there are a couple of articles floating around the Wisconsin media that Fickell is a terrible fit for the Wisconsin program. He gets a major test today with Alabama coming to Madison at 12:00. I don't think he'll beat Alabama this time either.

[bearcatbret]

The Wisconsin Media and fans were calling for CLF's head last year. I think that the Badgers were picked too high this year in the B1G as well which could cause doom for CLF.

[bobestes]

We had other options in up and coming coaches and opted for someone with head coaching experience.

One particular donor seems to be the one that really pulled the trigger on this after it was made known to UC folks that Satterfield was available.

What a shame. We know the formula that works at UC, and we know the formula that does not. Coaches on the way up vs coaches on the way down.

[longtimefan]

We had other options in up and coming coaches and opted for someone with head coaching experience.

One particular donor seems to be the one that really pulled the trigger on this after it was made known to UC folks that Satterfield was available.

I think Marcus Freeman would have been preferable to Satterfield for sure. That ND position was Fickell's dream job outside of OSU. UC going to the CFP messed up the timing for Fickell. Had we not made the CFP, Fickell would have been gone to ND a year earlier instead of Wisconsin and Freeman probably would have been our head coach.

Speaking of not lighting things on fire, there are a couple of articles floating around the Wisconsin media that Fickell is a terrible fit for the Wisconsin program. He gets a major test today with Alabama coming to Madison at 12:00. I don't think he'll beat Alabama this time either.

Fickell blown out at home by Alabama 42-10. Also Brian Kelly losing again against South Carolina, he’s in trouble at LSU. Edit, SC had a 102 yard Pick 6 nullified by penalty, LSU survives.

[Lobot]

What a shame. We know the formula that works at UC, and we know the formula that does not. Coaches on the way up vs coaches on the way down.

This. Coaching is a bell curve for most guys. Catch guys on the way up not after they peak on the way down. Satterfield probably peaked at App St.

You'd think people around the program for a long time would actually recognize this at some point and drive it home with the people who haven't been.

[leo from jersey]

This. Coaching is a bell curve for most guys. Catch guys on the way up not after the peak on the way down. Satterfield probably peaked at App St.

You'd think people around the program for a long time would actually recognize this at some point and drive it home with the people who haven't been.

Point in example -- The secondary coach.

[Bearcat Chris]

Fickell had an easy schedule last year, and a tough one this year. My money says that if he finishes below .500, he will be a goner, and wish he had never left UC. He peaked here, and next year, he will likely be a coordinator at a school like Illinois or Kansas St. With that demotion comes a 75% pay cut. Not to worry, he is very well padded, and could work for free, and still retire in the top 1%.

B.C.

[red_n_black_attack]

The questions I'd ask

1. How is the 3 down lineman scheme different from playing a prevent defense all game?

2. Do any other FBS coaches play a prevent defense? P4?

3. With the Miami defense ranked so high, why are we not offering their DV a significant pay raise to work with a more talented roster?

[Lobot]

The questions I'd ask

1. How is the 3 down lineman scheme different from playing a prevent defense all game?

2. Do any other FBS coaches play a prevent defense? P4?

3. With the Miami defense ranked so high, why are we not offering their DV a significant pay raise to work with a more talented roster?

1. I'd say it isn't unless you're bringing an extra body from somewhere. I'm not an Xs and Os expert by any stretch but seems like if we're only going to bring three then the CBs shouldn't be on an island unless the offense is built to exploit that. (lots of guys in the route.) I honestly don't think it's scheme.

2. I mean a lot of coaches play situational prevent usually with predictable results. If you want to talk 3-3-5, UCF plays it, Iowa St still plays it even after Veidt defected to UC and I'm sure there are others. UC went to the NY6/CFP and played the following year under Tressel in a 3-3-5 and had a lot of success with it. I think the major difference between then and now is not the scheme but the talent level of the players in it and the coaching. That's not a knock on the players or even Kerry Coombs. Those guys that went to the NFL in the DB room were all Mike Mickens' guys and he's played the position before at this level where Kerry hasn't. The difference in coaching philosophy is striking between the two.

3. I'm not sure why he would be the guy? There's lots of DCs out there. In any case Veidt is under contract. I don't see him leaving unless Satterfield goes with him or lets Veidt go for some reason. See above on talent level. Veidt was successful with the 3-3-5 at Iowa St but his LBs/DBs were NFL draft picks in a couple of cases particularly TJ Tampa who we tried to sign. If Mickens would have stayed, Tampa would have been a Bearcat in my opinion.

[SKell82155]

Lobot,
Do you know the donors of which you speak ?
Do they know anything about football ?

[bearcatlifer]

I'd Take Brian Kelly back in a heartbeat.He doesn't seem to be well liked by anyone but the guy can run a program and win.On another note...Who is the mystery donor that seems to be behind the Satterfield debacle?
Why is everyone afraid to name him or her?what is this? Secret ops and they'll find you in an alley?

[MDW79]

No, but there is time to finish strong.. He has a good squad, but many are concerned about his failure to beat teams that he should. He has recruited better than Kelly so there are high expectations.

Larry Sheakley.

I will add, as much as everyone claims he pushed for Satterfield, it still doesn't explain the contract Cunnigham gave to him.

[bobestes]

Larry Sheakley.

I will add, as much as everyone claims he pushed for Satterfield, it still doesn't explain the contract Cunnigham gave to him.

Hate to say it, but when you have your name on as many buildings as he does, you get to say who they should hire.

[bearcatlifer]

in case this hasn't been referenced here before https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/397...ield-bearcats/

[leo from jersey]

Larry Sheakley.

I will add, as much as everyone claims he pushed for Satterfield, it still doesn't explain the contract Cunnigham gave to him.

My comment was in reference to M. Freeman and B.Kelly at ND. Yes, I did mention a building given and I believed most would figure it out. If Cunningham was nudged towards Satt's hiring, wouldn't he also be influenced in regard to the contract. Regardless, what was done is done and my hope would be for money to be given to buy out the contract if major improvements are not seen the rest of the season. If the team doesn't win 6 games and if the contract is honored (after Jan. 1) then we have to live with it. If the choice is made, I can see waiting to Jan. 1. By then Satt will know and early talks with the future HC might be made in secret. Lots of legal stuff involved, but money does address that too.