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[norwoodbearcat]

I don't understand the Quinn thing. What do you know about him? Briank Kelly was the playcaller. Its been 22 years since he first hooked up with BK and he's yet to advance, notice something strange?

[ucat4]

I don't understand the Quinn thing. What do you know about him? Briank Kelly was the playcaller. Its been 22 years since he first hooked up with BK and he's yet to advance, notice something strange?

I agree, everyone seems to be on Quinns bandwagon, and he doesn't even have HC experience. Is it just because we would be stealing BK's OC and this is some kind of payback to BK? Just because BK was a great coach doesn't mean that Quinn would be.

I'd rather have someone w/ some experience as HC. Quinn would be a gamle IMO, I don't think gambling is the right move in our situation......one bad hire could set us waaaay back!

[cmm27]

The contrary to that would be a simple question: "How much of Brian Kelly's success was due to Quinn?" Obviously Quinn is an established recruiter and knows the offense and personel better than anyone else available. If he can garner the respect of the players and keep the team winning, why the heck not?

[norwoodbearcat]

I know you all can't get over Brian Kelly so you think Quinn will salvage it and be just like him. There is a reason he's been next to his side for 22 years. If anything that has follower in big bold letters next to it.

[08bearcat]

BK was an unheralded coach 3 years ago. Nobody wanted him, we got the scraps of larger programs. Remember those days? Quinn wasn't given the CMU job in the mess over BK leaving (which was worse than UC), he's never really had an opportunity to leave before now. He's been behind him, and his tremendous success, for 22 years. Only 6 of those in the FBS. He's finally getting recognition now.

His connection to UC is much stronger than BK. He's a smart, really nice guy. If he does what that guy has done at WVU over the next 2 years, I'd say it would be alright. Two decent bowls, holding on to the top 3 in the Big East. But he knows the system, and there is a chance he holds a lot of the staff in place - which would be a godsend.

If BK takes the GVSU HC as his DC, all bets are off on the defensive side of the ball in terms of coaches. Diaco would be out of a job, and i think he's done a decent job with the turnover and injuries he's faced - and time of possession woes.

So, Quinn could hold relatively solid on the offensive side, and really solid on the defensive side. The kids really like diaco and quinn.

For the short term, this would also save money. Quinn wouldn't demand as much as an established head coach. Suddenly, we can invest in our assistants, and start putting the money we had tracked for BK's increase into the nippert fund. If quinn stays on for 3-5 years, it puts us in a tremendous spot in terms of the stadium. Saving 10 million over that time in his salary alone would be a great down payment on a 70m project.

And, finally, his two sons are at UC. As I've said on other threads, that gives him an advantage over everybody. Both in terms of recruiting and personal connection to the university. None of the other candidates have anything close to that - not even BK.

[norwoodbearcat]

I wasnt aware that being a really nice guy made you qualified to be a head football coach

Im sorry that I am coming like such an *** but it really agravates me when I log on here and all I see is UC fans complaining about how Notre Dame stole their daddy

[#41]

I don't understand the Quinn thing. What do you know about him? Briank Kelly was the playcaller. Its been 22 years since he first hooked up with BK and he's yet to advance, notice something strange?

Yeah, the Quinn thing seems odd to me too.

What do we really know about the guy? How much of the offensive gameplanning and play-design is his responsibility v. LB's responsibility? It seems to me, from the outside looking in, like Quinn was more of a middleman between LB and the position coaches. LB did all the design and strategy, Quinn just saw to it that the plan was implemented.

Plus, there's a whole host of other considerations -- does Quinn have the drive and desire to run things on his own? Can he successfully manage a staff of people on both sides of the football? Can he function outside the shadow of the man he's followed for 22 years? How is he at dealing with alums and boosters -- something that his boss has always done for him? What kind of recruiter is he?

Quinn seems like a big gamble to me. I understand that hiring anybody straight from being a coordinator is a gamble (part of the reason why I dislike it so much), but it seems odd to me that a man with two decades of coordinator experience is being touted for a head coaching position at a BCS school. It looks to me like he lacks the drive and ambition required to be in charge of a program like UC -- which NEEDS a champion who is out there working hard everyday to make it better.

[08bearcat]

But we like gambles.

[norwoodbearcat]

Yeah, the Quinn thing seems odd to me too.

What do we really know about the guy? How much of the offensive gameplanning and play-design is his responsibility v. LB's responsibility? It seems to me, from the outside looking in, like Quinn was more of a middleman between LB and the position coaches. LB did all the design and strategy, Quinn just saw to it that the plan was implemented.

Plus, there's a whole host of other considerations -- does Quinn have the drive and desire to run things on his own? Can he successfully manage a staff of people on both sides of the football? Can he function outside the shadow of the man he's followed for 22 years? How is he at dealing with alums and boosters -- something that his boss has always done for him? What kind of recruiter is he?

Quinn seems like a big gamble to me. I understand that hiring anybody straight from being a coordinator is a gamble (part of the reason why I dislike it so much), but it seems odd to me that a man with two decades of coordinator experience is being touted for a head coaching position at a BCS school. It looks to me like he lacks the drive and ambition required to be in charge of a program like UC -- which NEEDS a champion who is out there working hard everyday to make it better.

I agree nothing about what I have read about this guy or even when I see him on the sideline says leader to me

[shadyo]

The contrary to that would be a simple question: "How much of Brian Kelly's success was due to Quinn?" Obviously Quinn is an established recruiter and knows the offense and personel better than anyone else available. If he can garner the respect of the players and keep the team winning, why the heck not?

If recruiting and coordinating are enough to be a successful head coach, wouldn't Charlie Weiss still be at Notre Dame? Wouldn't **** LeBeau still be hc with Bengals? There is so much more involved in running a program than in being an OC. I trust MT is aware of that.

[#41]

Joe Schad reporting via twitter:

UH coach Kevin Sumlin speaks with, withdraws from Cincy search


...and #41 rejoices

Can't say I'm disappointed.

Onward with the search. One trap hire avoided. The next big pit to avoid is Al Golden, but I trust MT is smart enough to see that one clearly and not even bother interviewing.

[catsfan32]

This just in!

@schadjoe CMU coach Butch Jones is wanted. Has interviewed at Marshall. Will interview at Cincinnati

[Lobot]

As far as Chuck Martin goes, GVSU lost the D-II championship game

[daap_bearcat97]

I posted this in a different thread...but hopefully we can start to think out of the box. Lots of "great" candidates out there...MT just needs to hunt them down and interview them. I hope everyone understands that we are #3 in nation as of now, possibly can be #2 or even co-national champs? We may enter the season next year ranked in the top 10-15? Think bigger names or think a proven winner. Look into the Div2 ranks, FCS ranks or big names in FBS ranks.

I am not convinced as others have said with Quinn, maybe he would be great, but maybe he is not the guy. He got passed over after an obvious interest by CMU when they hired Butch Jones. Butch Jones has now been passed over by Kansas and Louisville. I know BK was passed over by others as well, so that isn't the only indication of a good coach. Anyways...here was an earlier post in a different thread. This is about and idea, a far fetched one maybe, but none the less something to consider. If Bobby Hauck wasn't a complete ***** with the press, he would be one to consider. Also don't forget I did hear that Fresno was looking to move away from Pat Hill? Mike Stoops (Ohio), Butch Davis, Steve Spurrier, Chris Peterson...the list goes on, worth inquiring if you are MT?

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Jerry Moore is old, he is something like 70, but damn the guy can coach. We all know App. State runs the spread and look at the awards this guy has won and championships. His team went in to Ann Arbor and beat Mich. a few years ago, so he can motivate his team as well. If you hired someone like him, you let him be the HC, make KC the assistant HC and let him mentor under him for like 5 years, when he retires, KC takes the helm. He is a winner and that is so important...you can't replace that knowledge and winning attitude. BK had it, and there are many other coaches that have "it"...UC needs to continue with that. That is why I am trying to like everyone else here...think outside the box and just throwing ideas out there.

Hey Jerry Moore's team beat Richmond last week, and Mike London is now at VA...App. State is now playing Montana in the Semi finals of the FCS championships.

Just food for thought...hope it doesn't make anyone throw up!

[Bearcat_DF]

I posted this in a different thread...but hopefully we can start to think out of the box. Lots of "great" candidates out there...MT just needs to hunt them down and interview them. I hope everyone understands that we are #3 in nation as of now, possibly can be #2 or even co-national champs? We may enter the season next year ranked in the top 10-15? Think bigger names or think a proven winner. Look into the Div2 ranks, FCS ranks or big names in FBS ranks.

I am not convinced as others have said with Quinn, maybe he would be great, but maybe he is not the guy. He got passed over after an obvious interest by CMU when they hired Butch Jones. Butch Jones has now been passed over by Kansas and Louisville. I know BK was passed over by others as well, so that isn't the only indication of a good coach. Anyways...here was an earlier post in a different thread. This is about and idea, a far fetched one maybe, but none the less something to consider. If Bobby Hauck wasn't a complete ***** with the press, he would be one to consider. Also don't forget I did hear that Fresno was looking to move away from Pat Hill? Mike Stoops (Ohio), Butch Davis, Steve Spurrier, Chris Peterson...the list goes on, worth inquiring if you are MT?

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Jerry Moore is old, he is something like 70, but damn the guy can coach. We all know App. State runs the spread and look at the awards this guy has won and championships. His team went in to Ann Arbor and beat Mich. a few years ago, so he can motivate his team as well. If you hired someone like him, you let him be the HC, make KC the assistant HC and let him mentor under him for like 5 years, when he retires, KC takes the helm. He is a winner and that is so important...you can't replace that knowledge and winning attitude. BK had it, and there are many other coaches that have "it"...UC needs to continue with that. That is why I am trying to like everyone else here...think outside the box and just throwing ideas out there.

Hey Jerry Moore's team beat Richmond last week, and Mike London is now at VA...App. State is now playing Montana in the Semi finals of the FCS championships.

Just food for thought...hope it doesn't make anyone throw up!

I think MT should at least inquire about:
Steve Spurrier
Butch Davis
Jerry Moore