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Originally posted by sedz View PostWe only had 5 second half turnovers (and 14 for the game, which isn't that bad and only half of them were live ball). How did the consensus here become that we threw the ball away on offense? We had 13 turnovers at Texas Tech, 15 against TCU, and 19 at BYU.
The solution to defensive issues is to fix the defensive issues. Not to try and play perfect offense and score 90 points.
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Originally posted by longtimefan View Post
My brother listened to the game on the radio last night. Apparently Terry said coach has to stop worrying about guy's feelings and get his best lineup on the court, or something like that.
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Originally posted by sedz View PostThis is exactly the point I'm tying to make. Our staff didn't adjust to their 5 out offense. And we shouldn't have even had to adjust since it shouldn't have been a surprise. We should have had a plan going into the game. That's the main reason we lost. Not because we threw the ball away, or Jizzle didn't play enough, or bigs shot threes, or really anything to do with offense. This is college basketball, we shouldn't have to put up NBA efficiency numbers to win. 76 points in a 68 possession game on our home floor should be more than enough offense. We lost this game because we had no defensive strategy to limit what OK St wanted to do.
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accepting a lack of discipline, i.e. turnovers, or having no consequences on turning it over just leads to more complacency. When Skillings tried to lob the ball over the defender and got intercepted he didn't wince, didn't curse, didn't even make an all out attempt to get back to defend the dude. When you accept anything but full bore it energy then the rest of your game is going to obtain to the same level.
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Originally posted by London 'Cat View Post
Agree completely. UC allowed OSU to shoot 55.6% from the field. Not a recipe for success and not good defense by any standards. UC lost because it did not defend effectively.
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Originally posted by Rufus View Postaccepting a lack of discipline, i.e. turnovers, or having no consequences on turning it over just leads to more complacency. When Skillings tried to lob the ball over the defender and got intercepted he didn't wince, didn't curse, didn't even make an all out attempt to get back to defend the dude. When you accept anything but full bore it energy then the rest of your game is going to obtain to the same level.Last edited by leo from jersey; 02-22-2024, 03:01 PM.
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Originally posted by leeraymond View PostWelcome to the defensive basketball world of Wes Miller. Miller's defenses have a very bad habit of NOT being able to take offenses out of what they want to do. Teams usually can run their stuff without many disruptions.
Offensively we can't shoot. Guards can't hit threes or finish at the rim, bigs can't score outside the paint or hit free throws. Strategy can only overcome so much of that. I'm hoping more skilled players can give us more offense in coming years.
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Originally posted by leo from jersey View Post
how do we adjust in the game to win. The effort on defense wasn't there and I saw nothing to change that from the bench.
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Originally posted by longtimefan View Post
My brother listened to the game on the radio last night. Apparently Terry said coach has to stop worrying about guy's feelings and get his best lineup on the court, or something like that.Last edited by Lobot; 02-22-2024, 03:34 PM.Brent Wyrick
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Originally posted by sedz View PostPut in Ody or Reed at center when they play 5 out. Doesn't have much to do with effort. If anything Aziz was giving too much effort on the perimeter trying to block threes. Aziz and Jamille can't guard players who are essentially small forwards out there. And they're way too slow to protect the rim from out there when another player drives.
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Offensively we can't shoot. Guards can't hit threes or finish at the rim, bigs can't score outside the paint or hit free throws. Strategy can only overcome so much of that. I'm hoping more skilled players can give us more offense in coming years.
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That's a question I've had on my mind. What do we think the situation will be with our "Bigs" next year. Who will be back? I don't see that we are bringing in anyone new in to this point. How do we get better? Who even works with the "Bigs" on this team? Post moves are sadly lacking with this group outside of Reynolds. Other than a dunk Aziz is a walking TO on offense.
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Originally posted by sedz View PostPut in Ody or Reed at center when they play 5 out. Doesn't have much to do with effort. If anything Aziz was giving too much effort on the perimeter trying to block threes. Aziz and Jamille can't guard players who are essentially small forwards out there. And they're way too slow to protect the rim from out there when another player drives.
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Originally posted by Gmann View PostOffensively we can't shoot. Guards can't hit threes or finish at the rim, bigs can't score outside the paint or hit free throws. Strategy can only overcome so much of that. I'm hoping more skilled players can give us more offense in coming years.
I wish I could give you 10 upvotes. We think the same about the shooting and where will the bigs come from next year. I don't think that big Tolentino can be the one. I believe we will have room for some transfers just like last year. I have asked that question about who will work with the bigs since Chuck Machock got sick and stopped. We had Clark, Washington and a young Scott in '17. Darren Savino was good.
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Originally posted by Gmann View PostThat's a question I've had on my mind. What do we think the situation will be with our "Bigs" next year. Who will be back? I don't see that we are bringing in anyone new in to this point. How do we get better? Who even works with the "Bigs" on this team? Post moves are sadly lacking with this group outside of Reynolds. Other than a dunk Aziz is a walking TO on offense.
Most of our great Bearcat teams didn't have a true center. We had frontcourts with Corie Blount & Erik Martin, Kenyon Martin & Pete Mickeal, Jason Maxiell & Eric Hicks, Justin Jackson & Tius Rubles, Kyle Washington & Gary Clark. None of those guys were over 6'9", and they could all move laterally. That lets you play a more positionless style so you can switch screens, press, and play help defense. Having big guards makes all that even easier. Of course we have also had our fair share of big, slow centers like Fortson and Yancy, but they aren't necessary to have a great team.
We've got McKinley and Betsey coming in, and I'm hoping that lets us play more positionless. Imagine the length we could have if Skillings is at the 2 instead of the 4. And hopefully more scoring options too.
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