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  • leo from jersey
    Veteran
    • Apr 2007
    • 6222

    #196
    With the state of Ohio Gov. giving an executive order, this puts to bed that the state only cares for tOSU. Plenty of deep pockets outside of tOSU spoke to DeWine. Is this a mess? Yes it is, but this us the state of ball today. Today we get Collins, but who knows the repercussions down the road. With the NIL out of control, one could sense the government getting involved. Lots of fans want a level playing field and of course, their team to win.

    Do you think the BIG 12 wants all their teams to win on the big stage and so adding Collins helps UC and TV ratings.
    Last edited by leo from jersey; 10-14-2026, 06:08 AM.

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    • daveh
      Member
      • Aug 2020
      • 61

      #197
      Originally posted by bearcatbret
      The NCAA has not been able to enforce anything for years. That said, I hate to see each state taking individual actions.
      but, when different courts in different states make different / opposing rulings, that's what we have now - who knew - maybe li'l mike is a roundball fan

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      • leo from jersey
        Veteran
        • Apr 2007
        • 6222

        #198
        Originally posted by daveh

        but, when different courts in different states make different / opposing rulings, that's what we have now - who knew - maybe li'l mike is a roundball fan
        a fan of the deep pockets, He can't run again so he needs to make friends. I am sure he has quite a few though.

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        • leo from jersey
          Veteran
          • Apr 2007
          • 6222

          #199
          So if this sticks. What will the addition mean on the court. Does this change the offense a little. It has to change the rotation. I hate the politics, but I love the Cats and Collins to me, will be a very big piece of the team. You play with the hand dealt.

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          • Lobot
            Administrator
            • Apr 2007
            • 28404

            #200
            Based on Dewine's EO. MJ Collins is currently eligible for now. The Ohio Supreme Court is looking at it per Sam Erlich
            Brent Wyrick
            92 Final Four Front Row
            @LobotC2DFW

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            • leo from jersey
              Veteran
              • Apr 2007
              • 6222

              #201
              Originally posted by Lobot
              Based on Dewine's EO. MJ Collins is currently eligible for now. The Ohio Supreme Court is looking at it per Sam Erlich
              plenty of maneuvering to come.

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              • Lobot
                Administrator
                • Apr 2007
                • 28404

                #202
                You know you want that breakdown of the roster from Corey Evans right?

                Brent Wyrick
                92 Final Four Front Row
                @LobotC2DFW

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                • Lobot
                  Administrator
                  • Apr 2007
                  • 28404

                  #203
                  First maneuver: The NCAA has sued Mike Dewine

                  Brent Wyrick
                  92 Final Four Front Row
                  @LobotC2DFW

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                  • swilsonsp4
                    Veteran
                    • Apr 2007
                    • 5101

                    #204
                    UC just added another transfer involved in the Borovicanin v NCAA case: Akron PF Amani Lyles, 6'7". Lyles averaged 15 ppg & 8 rpg for the Zips, who played in the Dance last year. He scored 26 against the Red Raiders in the Zips' loss in the tourney. If he gets to play, I don't like the chances for Riley Allenspach to see significant playing time.

                    I don't know whether either Lyles or M.J. Collins will get to play. This needs to be settled, pronto. That's probably unrealistic, with the NCAA still threatening to punish any schools that utilize any of the players involved. A judge (whose location escapes me) told NCAA Prez Charlie Baker that, as long as the injunction stands, if the NCAA takes action, they'll be in contempt. But, what happens if the injunctions are overturned and the player-plaintiffs lose on the merits?

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                    • longtimefan
                      Veteran
                      • Mar 2009
                      • 5509

                      #205
                      Originally posted by swilsonsp4
                      UC just added another transfer involved in the Borovicanin v NCAA case: Akron PF Amani Lyles, 6'7". Lyles averaged 15 ppg & 8 rpg for the Zips, who played in the Dance last year. He scored 26 against the Red Raiders in the Zips' loss in the tourney. If he gets to play, I don't like the chances for Riley Allenspach to see significant playing time.

                      I don't know whether either Lyles or M.J. Collins will get to play. This needs to be settled, pronto. That's probably unrealistic, with the NCAA still threatening to punish any schools that utilize any of the players involved. A judge (whose location escapes me) told NCAA Prez Charlie Baker that, as long as the injunction stands, if the NCAA takes action, they'll be in contempt. But, what happens if the injunctions are overturned and the player-plaintiffs lose on the merits?
                      On top of that, it looks like they’ll be ineligible for road games unless something changes fast.

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                      • swilsonsp4
                        Veteran
                        • Apr 2007
                        • 5101

                        #206
                        Originally posted by longtimefan

                        On top of that, it looks like they’ll be ineligible for road games unless something changes fast.
                        I asked "Professor Claude Opus" to address this issue. His response:

                        I couldn’t find an attorney who has addressed your road-game scenario head-on: Team A legally playing a Class of 2022 athlete, traveling to a state where no court or order allows it. A few prominent lawyers have commented on the pieces that bear on it, though, and they point the same direction.

                        What the lawyers have said
                        • Darren Heitner (Florida sports attorney) said DeWine’s order doesn’t require Ohio schools to roster these players but gives them cover if they choose to. He doubted it has the power to override NCAA rules.
                        • Ryan Regula (managing partner at Snell & Wilmer, a former two-sport Division I athlete) told USA Today the order is legally risky but politically smart. In his view the governor can’t rewrite NCAA rules, but can tell Ohio schools the state will back them if they play these athletes. Read closely, he said, the order doesn’t make anyone eligible. It bars Ohio schools from using the Class of 2022 rule as a reason to bench a player, but gives athletes no right to sue. He thinks Charlie Baker is on strong ground on the core point that a governor can’t legislate NCAA eligibility. He also flagged that the Justice Department could test the order under President Trump’s April executive order directing challenges to state laws that conflict with NCAA rules.
                        • Mike Hilgers, Nebraska’s attorney general and a lawyer though not a sports specialist, was the closest to your question. He said he couldn’t imagine the Ohio order being enforceable across the Big Ten, let alone in Nebraska.
                        • Michael McCann of Sportico, a law professor, made a related jurisdictional point: the Tenth Circuit’s ruling in the Colorado class case directly binds only federal courts in Colorado, Kansas, New Mexico, Oklahoma, Utah, and Wyoming.

                        How the pieces fit together

                        What follows is my own reading of how the two situations differ, not something these attorneys have said.

                        A player with his own court order. A TRO or injunction from, say, a Texas or Louisiana court restrains the NCAA itself, because the NCAA is the defendant. In principle it goes wherever the player plays, so the location of the road game doesn’t matter. Some of these orders also expressly bar the NCAA, and in the Dallas case the SEC, from punishing the school or coach.

                        The real risk is the NCAA’s Rule of Restitution. It lets the NCAA impose penalties after the fact, such as vacated wins, forfeited postseason eligibility, or lost media revenue, if a player competed under an injunction that is later dissolved. That risk falls on the team that played the athlete, not on the opponent. Some judges have also blocked enforcement of that rule.

                        An Ohio player covered only by the governor’s order. This is a weaker position. No court has ordered the NCAA to do anything; only a governor has directed Ohio schools not to bench these players. The NCAA has said it will keep enforcing its rules everywhere, including in Ohio. A road game in, say, Nebraska would bring nothing new into play. The exposure would be the same as at home: possible NCAA penalties against the Ohio school, unless the Ohio Supreme Court or the federal court rules otherwise.

                        Where it stands. With the Ohio Supreme Court reviewing the order and the NCAA’s federal suit pending, the cautious approach is to wait for those rulings. Some coverage reports that opponents might avoid Ohio schools, but I haven’t seen any of the lawyers above say that.

                        Sources:

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