Announcement

Collapse
No announcement yet.

Texas, Oklahoma reach out to SEC about joining conference

Collapse
X
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • Originally posted by Lobot View Post

    Nebraska did not drop AAU. They were kicked to the curb by the other members for not fulfilling their obligations.
    Didn’t UC get close not too long ago?

    Comment


    • Originally posted by longtimefan View Post

      Didn’t UC get close not too long ago?
      I'm not entirely sure. I think it's been a goal of the university for a long time but the general consensus over the years is that tOSU has kept us out of the club.
      Brent Wyrick
      92 Final Four Front Row
      @LobotC2DFW

      Comment


      • Originally posted by bba_1979 View Post
        There's a nice thread discussing UC and the AAU here: https://csnbbs.com/thread-899550-pos...ml#pid16922137

        I suggest going to the end and then working your way back to find where they start discussing the AAU idea.
        I posted this about a year ago. Pretty good primer on the background of UC and AAU membership.

        Comment


        • Conference realignment sucks…..($)

          Vannini: Conference realignment sucks, and it’s taking away what we love about college football
          https://theathletic.com/2729122/2021...shared_article
          Brent Wyrick
          92 Final Four Front Row
          @LobotC2DFW

          Comment


          • With the monopoly ESPN has with B10, SEC & CFP,
            the 2 super conferences will form to feed it. The fact that state governors and other politicians are so embedded in these decisions doesn’t help. UC has a particular problem with its TV market-it’s dominated by the same school that will, with the state political office support, keep OSU king. I think I’ve personally been a bit naive thinking a school can raise its academic profile, win consistently, have a good TV market (Cincinnati is 37) and have great facilities to find its way to a great conference. No, it’s more about an intricately woven system of greed keeping the rich connected through political back room influence, all funded by our tax dollars.
            UC will find itself in Conference USA 2.0 after
            Houston goes PAC 12 with Ok St & Texas
            Tech. Kansas and Iowa St are likely going B10.
            While not an AAU member, I wouldn’t be surprised if UCF gets a look for B10 to get into the FL market. That leaves TCU, Baylor and K-State to join the AAC. Not sure we wind up any better, maybe worse if Houston leaves.
            Last edited by Bearcat93; 07-26-2021, 11:50 PM.

            Comment


            • Originally posted by Bearcat93 View Post
              With the monopoly ESPN has with B10, SEC & CFP,
              the 2 super conferences will form to feed it. The fact that state governors and other politicians are so embedded in these decisions doesn’t help. UC has a particular problem with its TV market-it’s dominated by the same school that will, with the state political office support, keep OSU king. I think I’ve personally been a bit naive thinking a school can raise its academic profile, win consistently, have a good TV market (Cincinnati is 37) and have great facilities to find its way to a great conference. No, it’s more about an intricately woven system of greed keeping the rich connected through political back room influence, all funded by our tax dollars.
              UC will find itself in Conference USA 2.0 after
              Houston goes PAC 12 with Ok St & Texas
              Tech. Kansas and Iowa St are likely going B10.
              While not an AAU member, I wouldn’t be surprised if UCF gets a look for B10 to get into the FL market. That leaves TCU, Baylor and K-State to join the AAC. Not sure we wind up any better, maybe worse if Houston leaves.
              You may be right except for Houston. I can't see Houston going to the Pac12.

              Comment


              • UC’s long term home will be big east 2.0 (ACC after it gets raided by Big Ten/SEC) or Big 12 2.0 (current composition of Big 12 schools).

                The end game is for the SEC and Big Ten to poach the PAC 12 and ACC, there isn’t anything left of value in the AAC and Big 12.

                UC’s long term home will be a step up from AAC, but juuust outside the grownups table.


                Originally posted by Bearcat93 View Post
                With the monopoly ESPN has with B10, SEC & CFP,
                the 2 super conferences will form to feed it. The fact that state governors and other politicians are so embedded in these decisions doesn’t help. UC has a particular problem with its TV market-it’s dominated by the same school that will, with the state political office support, keep OSU king. I think I’ve personally been a bit naive thinking a school can raise its academic profile, win consistently, have a good TV market (Cincinnati is 37) and have great facilities to find its way to a great conference. No, it’s more about an intricately woven system of greed keeping the rich connected through political back room influence, all funded by our tax dollars.
                UC will find itself in Conference USA 2.0 after
                Houston goes PAC 12 with Ok St & Texas
                Tech. Kansas and Iowa St are likely going B10.
                While not an AAU member, I wouldn’t be surprised if UCF gets a look for B10 to get into the FL market. That leaves TCU, Baylor and K-State to join the AAC. Not sure we wind up any better, maybe worse if Houston leaves.

                Comment


                • Originally posted by bobestes View Post
                  UC’s long term home will be big east 2.0 (ACC after it gets raided by Big Ten/SEC) or Big 12 2.0 (current composition of Big 12 schools).

                  The end game is for the SEC and Big Ten to poach the PAC 12 and ACC, there isn’t anything left of value in the AAC and Big 12.

                  UC’s long term home will be a step up from AAC, but juuust outside the grownups table.



                  I hope you're not right, but I see the tea leaves heading in that direction. The B!G has already been linked to UVA and UNC per rumor mills the past few years. It does beg to question if the Gators would allow another Florida school to enter the SEC, though many SEC states have two teams. FSU or Miami to SEC, or perhaps Clemson.

                  As for where will UC end up, it isn't clear, but it will not be in a power conference, whatever that will mean when the SEC and B!G take the top teams. Let's face it, the PAC-12 was already losing ground to Big 12 and AAC as a power conference, so the Big 12 folding might be their only shot at staying relevant. UC will end up in a fairly competitive football conference that serves us well in basketball, and all other sports, but the gap in TV revenue will be larger than it is today between where we land and the top two (SEC/B!G).

                  Yes Virginia, conference realignment sucks!
                  Red and Black are more of an Attitude than merely a color combination.

                  Intimidate! Dominate! Celebrate!

                  Comment


                  • I have to say, the older I get, my interest in sports seems to migrate to lower levels as the money thing just changes everything. At some point, I may just stick to walking down the street to our local high school and support a variety of team for 5 bucks a game where there’s at least a decent amount of commitment and more balanced sports focus

                    Comment


                    • Oklahoma and Texas have formally requested invitations to join the SEC in 2025

                      Comment


                      • TV numbers deep dive from Stewart Mandel. ($)

                        Mandel: Big 12’s TV numbers explain divide between Texas, Oklahoma and the rest — and why remaining 8 should worry
                        https://theathletic.com/2731657/2021...shared_article
                        Brent Wyrick
                        92 Final Four Front Row
                        @LobotC2DFW

                        Comment


                        • Originally posted by Lobot View Post
                          TV numbers deep dive from Stewart Mandel. ($)

                          Mandel: Big 12’s TV numbers explain divide between Texas, Oklahoma and the rest — and why remaining 8 should worry
                          https://theathletic.com/2731657/2021...shared_article
                          For anyone who can’t read this, The general gist is that the schools in the Big 12 minus UT and OU average about the same TV ratings as AAC games.
                          Brent Wyrick
                          92 Final Four Front Row
                          @LobotC2DFW

                          Comment


                          • So this might be a little off topic, and it probably a bit crazy as well, but I wanted to see what you guys thought of this...

                            For conversation's sake, let's assume we're headed towards two Super Conferences, a Mega Conference, or some semblence of a system that leaves UC and a number of these other teams (Baylor, TCU, Texas Tech, the rest of the AAC, etc.) on the outside looking in. And let's assume as a result, the money we see from our newly formed conference's network deal pales in comparison to the larger ones.

                            Would it be nuts if the conference cut out the networks entirely, and went to selling their product directly to the consumer via streaming packages? I realize there would be a lot of overhead to cover at first, and securing talent to deliver a decent broadcast would be expensive. But in the long run, I think it might provide a way to come out way ahead.

                            Imgaine if they sold access to the games individually, essentially pay per view, at say 5 bucks. Imgaine if the sold team packages for a seaon at say 50 bucks. Imgaine if the sold an entire conference package, which cover both football and basketball, for say $14.99 a month or 150 bucks total. Imagine if numerous conferences (Ex: ACC, AAC, MWC, MAC,ect.) pooled all of their resources together and offered all of their access in one gigantic bundle. Then imagine all of the advertising dollars these conferences would keep for themselves. I'd be very curious to see how these numbers would shake out for a conference in comparison to what they get from ESPN or Fox..

                            Obviously the argument against this is ESPN is included with cable, and a lot of people pay for it even if they don't use it to watch certain team or any sports at all. But our conference is seeing pennies on the dollar of that 11 bucks a month or so that ESPN is taking up on a cable bill. And you don't even get access to all of the games anymore. You either need to spring for an extra 6 bucks a month for ESPN+, or they're not on at all.

                            Like I said, this is probably nuts. Maybe stupid even. But I know I for one would GLADLY pay for a streaming package that goes directly to my team and it's conference. And I think a lot of others would too. I also think ESPN is going to continue to lose subcribers, and that most people under 50 abhor cable. Maybe this could be a very proactive way to get ahead of the curve. Obviously there's network (ABC, CBS, FOX) considerations here too but I still think this could work.

                            i would just love to see a lot of this blow up in ESPN's and these power hungry school's faces. I'd love to see the conferences that are left out coming out ahead by getting away from traditional media, while ESPN is left holding the bag on overvalued contracts. I'd be more than happy to go out of my way to support whatever schools are left out of all of this and never give a dime to these other providers again.

                            Comment


                            • Originally posted by MDW79 View Post
                              So this might be a little off topic, and it probably a bit crazy as well, but I wanted to see what you guys thought of this...

                              For conversation's sake, let's assume we're headed towards two Super Conferences, a Mega Conference, or some semblence of a system that leaves UC and a number of these other teams (Baylor, TCU, Texas Tech, the rest of the AAC, etc.) on the outside looking in. And let's assume as a result, the money we see from our newly formed conference's network deal pales in comparison to the larger ones.

                              Would it be nuts if the conference cut out the networks entirely, and went to selling their product directly to the consumer via streaming packages? I realize there would be a lot of overhead to cover at first, and securing talent to deliver a decent broadcast would be expensive. But in the long run, I think it might provide a way to come out way ahead.

                              Imgaine if they sold access to the games individually, essentially pay per view, at say 5 bucks. Imgaine if the sold team packages for a seaon at say 50 bucks. Imgaine if the sold an entire conference package, which cover both football and basketball, for say $14.99 a month or 150 bucks total. Imagine if numerous conferences (Ex: ACC, AAC, MWC, MAC,ect.) pooled all of their resources together and offered all of their access in one gigantic bundle. Then imagine all of the advertising dollars these conferences would keep for themselves. I'd be very curious to see how these numbers would shake out for a conference in comparison to what they get from ESPN or Fox..

                              Obviously the argument against this is ESPN is included with cable, and a lot of people pay for it even if they don't use it to watch certain team or any sports at all. But our conference is seeing pennies on the dollar of that 11 bucks a month or so that ESPN is taking up on a cable bill. And you don't even get access to all of the games anymore. You either need to spring for an extra 6 bucks a month for ESPN+, or they're not on at all.

                              Like I said, this is probably nuts. Maybe stupid even. But I know I for one would GLADLY pay for a streaming package that goes directly to my team and it's conference. And I think a lot of others would too. I also think ESPN is going to continue to lose subcribers, and that most people under 50 abhor cable. Maybe this could be a very proactive way to get ahead of the curve. Obviously there's network (ABC, CBS, FOX) considerations here too but I still think this could work.

                              i would just love to see a lot of this blow up in ESPN's and these power hungry school's faces. I'd love to see the conferences that are left out coming out ahead by getting away from traditional media, while ESPN is left holding the bag on overvalued contracts. I'd be more than happy to go out of my way to support whatever schools are left out of all of this and never give a dime to these other providers again.
                              I think that is essentially ESPN+'s business model.

                              Comment


                              • Originally posted by Rufus View Post
                                I'm not up to date nor have I followed all the politics that have come with all this conference realignment so I admit I'm coming to the conversation unarmed. So it was alluded to earlier that ESPN was probably the or at least a driving forces behind it and that ESPN is biased against UC. So why is that is? The last realignment saw that UC and UConn were left outsides looking in. Then I remember just awhile ago that the big 12 was rumored to be looking to add two teams but then was just a smoke screen or the conference just couldn't get behind the new additions. And then UConn just recently found themselves a new home in an elite conference. So tell me why a Louisville whose history is replete with infractions ( which is a pet peeve of mind) or a West Virginia, TCU or even Xavier a more desired program than UC. I am smart enough to realize that ultimately its the dollars that determines these things so there is that . But I'm also thinking that this newest development in the Big 12 is precipitated by this new NIL allowance. It just cant be coincidence that this is happening on the heels of this newest benefit to this student athlete as I seem more opportunities in the SEC than in the Big 12 for endorsements. I'm seeing these conferences will look at Houston now with their recent success and of course Sampson's name and UC left with holding the bag again.
                                As far as Xavier goes, they just got lucky that the Big East fell apart. They obviously can't get into a power 5 conference since they don't have football. They happened to be in the right place at the right time because the Big East is the perfect conference for them. I will give then credit for one thing: they made sure they were prepared for such an opportunity if it arose. They upgraded their facilities and kept winning. We have been doing the same thing now for awhile but it is about timing. If we end up on the outside looking in maybe we should focus a little more on basketball. If the dollars aren't there then why stay in the arms race? That is basically what Uconn did. They threw in the towel on power 5 aspirations and refocused on basketball.

                                Comment

                                Responsive Ad Widget

                                Collapse
                                Working...
                                X