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[swilsonsp4]

Here's a piece from The Athletic ($) that drives home the point that, if and when the NCAA decide to crack down on pay-for-play, the anti-trust attorneys will file suit immediately, as soon as an institution is cited.

https://theathletic.com/3300616/2022...mpaign=4217097

[Greg7173]

Like I said before. This will not end well.

[leo from jersey]

Sure sure Coach Brian Kelly
"We’re looking at guys entering the transfer portal because they want to get paid to play. That’s not what Name, Image and Likeness was intended to do."

His talk is as sweet as it always was, but he went to LSU to win. Does any think that he won't keep up with the football Jones and try to pass them. Have we not heard his lips not matching his actions before.

[bearcatbret]

Local news are pushing/teasing future broadcasts about pay to play for high school athletes. Where do we end?

[richard k.]

tOSU has two major foundations as of now. The foundation led by Schottensteins, Meyer D'Angelo Russell , Terry McLaurin and Cohesion led by former players and noted alums like Jack Nicklaus and Archie Griffin. That group agreed to a deal to use tOSU logo. Big bucks in both and it is hard for the administration to turn their backs on such people.

"Founders of both of those collectives have said they are focused on making deals with athletes who are already at Ohio State rather than with recruits, though The Foundation has had conversations with both high school prospects and players in the transfer portal – including Ohio State men’s basketball transfer Tanner Holden, who announced a partnership with The Foundation shortly after his commitment to the Buckeyes – about the opportunities that could be available to them once they arrive at Ohio State if they choose to become Buckeyes.

“Just as long as there's no transaction, you can tell them about The Foundation and what we can do, what we've done for other players, but we just officially can't make any sort of transaction to them,” Schottenstein told Eleven Warriors in a recent interview. “I know a lot of the other schools down in the south are not following those rules and they're actually paying recruits. So that's not easy to compete with, but we're gonna do everything above board and make sure that we're following all the NCAA rules.”


and then this::Even without making actual deals with recruits, Schottenstein and Marcinick both believe their foundations – which fund NIL deals for athletes by collecting donations from the community and using the money they raise to partner with local charities – can ensure Ohio State remains a top destination for top prospects by increasing the earning potential for Buckeye athletes.

“We're talking to corporations now that are looking to possibly do really large six-figure donations,” Schottenstein said. “So I think having that, combined with the massive fan base across the country, we definitely will continue to be able to compete with other schools.”

Again it is hard to go against this - Hard to compete against this especially in the same state.

And this is considered "amateur" athletics?

[leo from jersey]

tOSU has two major foundations as of now. The foundation led by Schottensteins, Meyer D'Angelo Russell , Terry McLaurin and Cohesion led by former players and noted alums like Jack Nicklaus and Archie Griffin. That group agreed to a deal to use tOSU logo. Big bucks in both and it is hard for the administration to turn their backs on such people.

"Founders of both of those collectives have said they are focused on making deals with athletes who are already at Ohio State rather than with recruits, though The Foundation has had conversations with both high school prospects and players in the transfer portal – including Ohio State men’s basketball transfer Tanner Holden, who announced a partnership with The Foundation shortly after his commitment to the Buckeyes – about the opportunities that could be available to them once they arrive at Ohio State if they choose to become Buckeyes.

“Just as long as there's no transaction, you can tell them about The Foundation and what we can do, what we've done for other players, but we just officially can't make any sort of transaction to them,” Schottenstein told Eleven Warriors in a recent interview. “I know a lot of the other schools down in the south are not following those rules and they're actually paying recruits. So that's not easy to compete with, but we're gonna do everything above board and make sure that we're following all the NCAA rules.”


and then this::Even without making actual deals with recruits, Schottenstein and Marcinick both believe their foundations – which fund NIL deals for athletes by collecting donations from the community and using the money they raise to partner with local charities – can ensure Ohio State remains a top destination for top prospects by increasing the earning potential for Buckeye athletes.

“We're talking to corporations now that are looking to possibly do really large six-figure donations,” Schottenstein said. “So I think having that, combined with the massive fan base across the country, we definitely will continue to be able to compete with other schools.”

Again it is hard to go against this - Hard to compete against this especially in the same state.

[leo from jersey]

Interesting article in the on3 tOSU forum Buckeyes adapting to new 'challenge,' assessing risk in NIL space

While R. Day claims they are holding off as a school and will wait for the NCAA, he doesn't acknowledge that a tOSU group led by the biggest boosters and Urban Meyer has already been at work. Case in point, three future high #1 picks and Heisman candidates were photographed flying first class to NYC and dressed nicely. They had just signed with a men's clothing company. One of the young men in an interview said his mother no longer had ti work two jobs nor does his grandmother. They now were stay at home. I have nothing to say about that, but please R. Day stop the PR games.

For Day and Ohio State, there’s plenty of risk-assessment to do before diving head-first into unknown territory. R. Day -

sure sure you lost the #1 recruit QB to Texas and you were in the lead for the #1 RB (Alabama) and #1 WR (Tennessee). That is the risk you don't want to take as you are in the lead for the #1 QB next year.

He seems to speak the truth here "They aren’t going to be left entirely behind. But the challenges of trying to keep up with what other schools are doing, fair or unfair, has become a lot to handle inside the football program.

“It’s a challenge because there are rules in place right now that are not being enforced,” Day said. “So it does create hard feelings. That’s kind of where we are right now: finding our way in those battles.”

He says the right things, but as Marvin Lewis said "I see better than I hear".

They also lost out on that 800 k bb player who they really wanted. He spoke of all the other benefits a school like tOSU gives. They are great, but $$$$ sure gives a lot to a poor kid and even to the well off.

The no BS R.Day now speaks comfort to his fans

Simply put, the Buckeyes want some sort of rules installed. Until then, it’s going to be tough for every school. Day isn’t going to start complaining about it. No, the Buckeyes will just adapt.

“I think we all do much better when it’s black and white,” Day said. “It’s gray, and so I think the easy thing to do is throw up your hands and complain. But we’re going to adapt and figure out how to make it work for Ohio State.”

No complaints when the #1 QB signs several things now.

Yes they talk legislation, but I think we all can see what R.Day was quoted as saying. No five star left behind.

[leo from jersey]

Concerning Teddy Roosevelt, while he tried to legislate business, he was also one who won by fake means. He wanted to be the one-man entity as the monopolistic corps did. Eugene V. Dobbs was a socialist who continually ran for president. He was feared because he cared for the people. He came up with 8-hour day, 40-week, workman's comp etc. TR and others made him into a crazed leftie. Four years after he came up with such radical thoughts, TR claimed they were his own and never gave credit. Dobbs even ran for president from prison (not against TR). The Russian commie scare got him put away. More Russia, Russia, Russia even back then. TR claimed to be the man in the arena but read the life of Dobbs. Don't look just at his social reforms, but in his courage and integrity in voicing them. The rest were followers, but at least they had good polices implemented. Politics, like sports, has always been not so above approach. Dobbs was against the big corporation's way before TR was paid perhaps by the little guys wanting to be players. It is a man like Dobbs which sports need. He is still considered in popular opinion, if anyone thinks of his as a wild leftist commie, but his reforms that got him beat and in prison, are our many of our cherished rights today. Now I would like to have both Dobbs and TR giving locker room pep talks.

[leo from jersey]

Culture has always been this way, but now you've changed.

Perhaps , but I always wanted the top recruits and ignorance some say is bliss, but it is still ignorance.

[Geaux Juan]

..... I will be honest. IF UC paid for the #1 ranked player in Basketball, I would be happy. I guess that is how winning has changed our culture. .....

Culture has always been this way, but now you've changed.

[leo from jersey]

Will ESPN, Fox Sports, Amazon etc. welcome a super league of schools leaving the NCAA? There are more players involved than schools. Regardless of if you are in the NCAA or not, the ratings of a Saturday Night super card will be a be quite an incentive for these networks. We are already paying for the right to see the games (Sunday Ticket, Cable, Streaming etc.). I can only imagine what a hard push back will do especially when the schools have already decided to pay the players. I am saying it is hard to go back. The restrictions may last for a short while, but I wonder what effect they will have in the long run. Even the lesser monied schools might side with the large NIL ones, due to money they get for showing up on Saturdays. This has been coming for years. I can see some moderation, but...... I will be honest. IF UC paid for the #1 ranked player in Basketball, I would be happy. I guess that is how winning has changed our culture. I would be happy if they got 3 out of the top 5 too and beat X by 35 every year. Would I like to see a return to the earlier days, yes, but recruiting has always been a little questionable. I try to be honest and fair, but I would like to see some championship banners newly hung. AS you said, we may find out something soon, but I doubt if we will see the end of the push by some regulating. People like something to celebrate in the locker room and at the alumni parties. It is a new culture or at least a more in the open culture.

[Lobot]

Would we be agreeing with the supposed regulations ( remains to be seen) in fairness for all or because UC is not a player. So far all I have seen is talk and as we are finding out once again, it is money which talks. Is all this used for a breakaway by the money schools. Sports is a big time business and amusement.

I'm agreeing because it will ruin the sport if we don't get some guardrails in place quickly. You've got guys out there with bigger NIL deals than the NFL rookie salary at their position.

I have not personally addressed any of this with AD/UCATS but I'm guessing there's two type of schools out there. Those that when all in immediately on NIL and big money collectives, ex: Texas, LSU, tOSU, A&M, and those that knew the hammer was eventually coming and chose not to get on the wrong side of it. I'm seeing things about program level punishments coming as soon as next week from the NCAA. I know everyone including myself was wondering where the UC collective was but the fact that's it's not out there in public and we've relied on traditional UCATS fundraising to this point might have been a really prescient choice. Looks like we'll find out soon.

[Lobot]

There's a rumor floating that Texas' NIL Collective has offered one of our players a 3M deal to leave UC and transfer. Doesn't name the player. Stuff like this where the player is not in the portal and straight up tampering is going on needs to get kicked to the curb immediately.

[leo from jersey]

Would we be agreeing with the supposed regulations ( remains to be seen) in fairness for all or because UC is not a player. So far all I have seen is talk and as we are finding out once again, it is money which talks. Is all this used for a breakaway by the money schools. Sports is a big time business and amusement.

[Lobot]

I was reading something from Darren Heitner, a sports lawyer from Florida ($) yesterday that said that the NCAA is going to crackdown on booster collectives and set rules for NIL and then deal with the legal fallout later. School punishments are coming supposedly.

I kind of agree with this tactic. They've got to rein it in at least a little.