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  • Carthage World
    Distinguished Member
    • Nov 2008
    • 960

    #76
    Sedz, knowing everything we know now - starting with the Kansas State home game, what is the worst you think we could've done down the stretch and still have grabbed a First Four spot?

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    • sedz
      Veteran
      • Jan 2024
      • 1270

      #77
      Originally posted by Carthage World
      Sedz, knowing everything we know now - starting with the Kansas State home game, what is the worst you think we could've done down the stretch and still have grabbed a First Four spot?
      I guess this is the key question!

      Now that we know our lack of Q1 wins wasn't disqualifying (we ended up with 3, UNC and Xavier got in with 1), it was really our overall Q1/2 record and metrics that did us in. We were 10-15 in Q1/2 with no bad losses. X was 9-11 with no bad loss, UNC was 9-12 with one bad loss. So we were basically just one game behind those teams on the resume but with Kenpom ratings 12 spots below X and 22 lower than UNC. The other hole was road wins. We only won 5 Q1/2 games away from home, but X also only won 5 Q1/2 while UNC won 7.

      After considering all of that, I think we were only 2 games behind Xavier. WAB shows that too. We finished -1.0 WAB. Xavier was 0.4. Flip two of our losses to wins and we pass Xavier (and Texas and San Diego St). So win the final two regular season games and we are probably playing in Dayton.

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      • sedz
        Veteran
        • Jan 2024
        • 1270

        #78
        WAB ended up pretty accurate. It's something that can tell you in real time throughout the season how many wins you need against your schedule. No need to wait for bracketologists to tell you anything.

        West Virginia was the only team 0.9 WAB or higher to miss the field. Xavier and Texas were the only teams under that mark to get in. Two more wins and we would have been above the line.

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        • sedz
          Veteran
          • Jan 2024
          • 1270

          #79
          Originally posted by sedz
          For evaluation:
          In Out
          Lunardi SD St, Indiana, Xavier Boise St, Texas, UNC
          Palm Indiana, SD St, Boise St Xavier, Texas, UNC
          Torvik SD St, Texas, Xavier Boise St, UNC, Indiana
          Once again Torvik's real time algorithm outperforms the prominent "experts". Torvik only missed UNC. Lunardi missed UNC and Texas. Palm missed UNC, Texas, and Xavier. There's really no point in looking at them anymore. They're paid for interviews. Torvik even gives better insight on Twitter. He was defending UNC's resume multiple times in the last few days.

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          • bearcatbret
            Veteran
            • May 2008
            • 8361

            #80
            Xavier Musketeers selected for First Four of 2025 March Madness I guess that I will cheer for Texas.

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            • fmirzamd
              Member
              • Nov 2019
              • 150

              #81
              I will go for X.

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              • GoBearcats31
                Super Moderator
                • Apr 2007
                • 11734

                #82
                Originally posted by sedz
                UNC is in, which is a message that metrics matter more than Q1 wins.
                Having your AD head the selection committee matters most

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                • fmirzamd
                  Member
                  • Nov 2019
                  • 150

                  #83
                  Did UC get invited to NIT?

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                  • Lobot
                    Administrator
                    • Apr 2007
                    • 28162

                    #84
                    Originally posted by fmirzamd
                    Did UC get invited to NIT?

                    Not as far as I know but the BIg XII was contractually obligated to send two teams to the Crown and it was us and Oklahoma St. WVU declined. Just in looking at the field, there are some really bad teams in this tournament. The NIT has smaller schools in it but probably has a better competition level
                    Brent Wyrick
                    92 Final Four Front Row
                    @LobotC2DFW

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                    • fmirzamd
                      Member
                      • Nov 2019
                      • 150

                      #85
                      Thanks, this Crown tournament is new to me.

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                      • Lobot
                        Administrator
                        • Apr 2007
                        • 28162

                        #86
                        Originally posted by fmirzamd
                        Thanks, this Crown tournament is new to me.
                        It's new to everyone. This is the first year it's been held.
                        Brent Wyrick
                        92 Final Four Front Row
                        @LobotC2DFW

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                        • sedz
                          Veteran
                          • Jan 2024
                          • 1270

                          #87
                          Bracketmatrix grades are in. There were 249 submissions this year. None of them picked all 68 teams correctly thanks to West Virginia being left out.

                          Torvik's algorithm finished #10 overall and was the only one to place 66 teams within one seed line. That's incredible for an unsubjective, real time algorithm. There's really no reason to use anything else.

                          Notables:
                          #11 DeCourcy (Fox)
                          #19 Sluder (BearcatBunch)
                          #108 Lunardi (ESPN)
                          #233 Palm (CBS)

                          Another impressive year from Sluder, who was #12 in the 5 year average and will probably move up when the new average is tabulated. I don't understand why Palm still has the high profile job at CBS.

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                          • swilsonsp4
                            Veteran
                            • Apr 2007
                            • 5062

                            #88
                            Originally posted by sedz
                            Bracketmatrix grades are in. There were 249 submissions this year. None of them picked all 68 teams correctly thanks to West Virginia being left out.

                            Torvik's algorithm finished #10 overall and was the only one to place 66 teams within one seed line. That's incredible for an unsubjective, real time algorithm. There's really no reason to use anything else.

                            Notables:
                            #11 DeCourcy (Fox)
                            #19 Sluder (BearcatBunch)
                            #108 Lunardi (ESPN)
                            #233 Palm (CBS)

                            Another impressive year from Sluder, who was #12 in the 5 year average and will probably move up when the new average is tabulated. I don't understand why Palm still has the high profile job at CBS.
                            I imagine that CBS likes the # of clicks that he generates more than they care about Palm's prognostication abilities. If viewers turn him off, they'll find someone else.

                            Also, on a semi-related note, it's obvious that the Mountaineers opted out of the CBC because they knew Darian DeVries was as good as gone.

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                            • bearcatbret
                              Veteran
                              • May 2008
                              • 8361

                              #89
                              Just a summary of the Big 12 teams. https://www.heartlandcollegesports.c...NE8705kTzMoMAQ

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                              • Lobot
                                Administrator
                                • Apr 2007
                                • 28162

                                #90
                                Originally posted by sedz
                                Bracketmatrix grades are in. There were 249 submissions this year. None of them picked all 68 teams correctly thanks to West Virginia being left out.

                                Torvik's algorithm finished #10 overall and was the only one to place 66 teams within one seed line. That's incredible for an unsubjective, real time algorithm. There's really no reason to use anything else.

                                Notables:
                                #11 DeCourcy (Fox)
                                #19 Sluder (BearcatBunch)
                                #108 Lunardi (ESPN)
                                #233 Palm (CBS)

                                Another impressive year from Sluder, who was #12 in the 5 year average and will probably move up when the new average is tabulated. I don't understand why Palm still has the high profile job at CBS.
                                Palm's expertise was deciphering the old RPI formula. Now that they switched it up to Net and quartiles , he's lost.
                                Brent Wyrick
                                92 Final Four Front Row
                                @LobotC2DFW

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