Sad State of Bearcat Basketball

[Chewbacca2099]

CWM buyout numbers:
Look: Year-By-Year Wes Miller Contract Buyout Structure

question is do we give him yet another year to save the 3.69 million... I know the fans are done.... me included. But honestly JC needs to go first, I don't want him making anymore hires.

[bearcatbret]

CWM buyout numbers:
Look: Year-By-Year Wes Miller Contract Buyout Structure

[leeraymond372@gmail.com]

The Quad posting above on Miller is a good post. Miller's win-loss record at each Quad level tells the entire story. Here are Miler's probabilities of winning at each Quad level: Quad 1 (18%); Quad 2 (60%); Quad 3 (69.2%); and Quad 4 (95%). Here is Miller's probability of winning minus Quad 4 games: 42.4%. Here is Miller's probability of winning minus Quad 1 games: 87%.

There are 14 BIG XII teams currently ranked in the Net 100 (UC and Utah are the only two not included this week). Nine (9) BIG XII teams currently do not have any Quad 1 wins, there are six teams with at least one Quad 1 win, and only three teams with at least one Quad 4 loss (UC included).

Over Miller's UC career, he has a 32-42 conference record. That translates into a 56.7% loss rate and probability of losing a conference game. His probability of loss against Quad 1 teams is 82%.

Based on the numbers, it becomes clear that Miller's coaching capabilities are not well suited for big-time college basketball. However, Miller would probably be a pretty good mid-major coach. However, there is another option for Miller. He could get an assistant coaching position with a Hall-of-Fame type of coach and learn all that he can about basketball and how to win. After about 3 to 4 years of learning from a winning and well-established coach, Miller could seek another top-level coaching spot. That strategy could work.

I think what is hurting Miller is that he comes from a weak coaching tree. I know that he played for Roy Williams, but he never coached under Williams. That is a big difference. Miller's coaching tree extends back to Elon College then UNC-Greensboro. Although Elon is now in the CAA, when Miller was there, Elon was a member of the SoCon. UNCG is also a member of the Southern Conference. Miller just does not know enough about coaching and what it takes to win. High standards and the culture of excellence appear to be missing from the program under Miller. These are things that he can learn.

Bob Knight once said, "we all have the will to win, but we all do not do what it takes to prepare to win" (or something like that). Miller is still a young man. If he truly loves coaching, he will eventually make his mark.

[bearcatbret]

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Updated: Wes Miller record at UC
by NET rankings
Quad 1: 9-41
Quad 2: 18-12
Quad 3: 18-8
Quad 4: 42-2
He's 45-61 minus Quad 4 wins.
Average NET win
2021-2022: 199
2022-2023: 177
2023-2024: 137
2024-2025: 150
2025-2026: 253
Cincinnati Bearcats Men's Basketball

[leo from jersey]

wow while waiting for the Cats, I caught my first game without the Cats. Wichita v. DePaul ---- what was I watching -- they were boxing out and putting bodies on each other. they hit the ground going after loose balls and I saw no standing around.

[Rufus]

What about U of Houston

K. Sampson was a proven coach albeit questions concerning recruiting violations at Indiana.

[leo from jersey]

It's always baffled me in why UC would go through the hard work, protocols and tests put upon UC for years, in order to obtain admission into a power conference ( and questionably the toughest bball conference ) and then hire not one but two coaches in the most visible of sports and have not proved themselves prior. I originally thought that the tenets of head coaching, having changed with the transfer portal and the paying of "student athletes" would somehow offer a legitimate justification for their mediocre but I don't believe that's the case any longer. I just don't think CWM can coach at this level and I for one am disappointed because with his link to Roy Williams I really had high hopes. So I'm in the same school as swilsonp4 in that the next coach needs to be someone who has proven to be able to win in a power conference and recruit. The same is true of the football program too. If I was a rigid conspiracy theorist I would say that the reason for Millers habitually being out coached has more to do with it being a stipulation in the B12 entrance contract that UC remain in the bottom of the conference rankings until they at least began receiving their full share of B12 monies. It would explain why there has been no noticable increase of production these last five years.

What about U of Houston

[leo from jersey]

I remember an over two decade or more period of time when players were benched for not "playing hard" but now we rotate ten to twelve players who each one come in and stand around waiting to get their chance to hold up three digits on their hand as they lumber back down to the defensive side of the court.

It is what the entertainment tv crowd craves. Look he scored 12 but few see giving up 24

[Rufus]

I remember an over two decade or more period of time when players were benched for not "playing hard" but now we rotate ten to twelve players who each one come in and stand around waiting to get their chance to hold up three digits on their hand as they lumber back down to the defensive side of the court.

[leo from jersey]

I still have hopes before every game until the Cats show me otherwise. Then deep down I want them to have a miracle, but Oscar isn't suiting up. Just an old dreamer dreaming about his beloved Bearcats.

[JohnFrancis]

My wife asked me earlier this evening" when do the Cats play next?"
My reply was, "I have no idea"
I started following Bearcat basketball over 30 years ago, That's the first time I had no idea when the next game was. Very sad indeed.

I feel the same way...it's going to be a long, cold (and winless) winter..

[John P]

My wife asked me earlier this evening" when do the Cats play next?"
My reply was, "I have no idea"
I started following Bearcat basketball over 30 years ago, That's the first time I had no idea when the next game was. Very sad indeed.

[Rufus]

It's always baffled me in why UC would go through the hard work, protocols and tests put upon UC for years, in order to obtain admission into a power conference ( and questionably the toughest bball conference ) and then hire not one but two coaches in the most visible of sports and have not proved themselves prior. I originally thought that the tenets of head coaching, having changed with the transfer portal and the paying of "student athletes" would somehow offer a legitimate justification for their mediocre but I don't believe that's the case any longer. I just don't think CWM can coach at this level and I for one am disappointed because with his link to Roy Williams I really had high hopes. So I'm in the same school as swilsonp4 in that the next coach needs to be someone who has proven to be able to win in a power conference and recruit. The same is true of the football program too. If I was a rigid conspiracy theorist I would say that the reason for Millers habitually being out coached has more to do with it being a stipulation in the B12 entrance contract that UC remain in the bottom of the conference rankings until they at least began receiving their full share of B12 monies. It would explain why there has been no noticable increase of production these last five years.

[BearKatz]

No thanks. At none of those stops was NVE involved in the world of recruiting, of sitting for hours on end at AAU events all summer, of running the program, including hiring experienced assistants (who also know the intricacies of dealing with teenagers and their parents/agents).

If the decision is made to end CWM's time here, I want an experienced head coach with a proven track record, not an experiment.

Well the last 7yrs has been a total waste of time. Basically nothing more than a failed experiment. I guess will see how this plays out.