More proof the Big 12 needs to add us!!

[CincyBearcat95]

^An article/blog that I read written by a Kansas fan/writer (I have lost track of everything that I have read), said that KState and Kansas were not rivals but Kansas lost their true rival when Mizzu left the Big12. I am not sure that KState and Kansas will move together. I believe that it will be like all else if the Big12 folds, all universities for themselves.

I live in Kansas City and go to the KU games. Your fan/writer is correct. KU and MU are bitter rivals and before MU left had an annual football game called The Border War which goes back to the civil war when the two states were on opposite sides and one raided the other. The movie The Outlaw Jose Wales is based on the event.

KU / MU fans have almost as much venom for each other as we do with Xavier. K-State is more like an annoying little brother who wants to be the rival with KU.

However, rivalry has nothing to do with both schools moving together. That comes from both being state schools and supposedly the State of Kansas wants them kept together in whatever conference they go to. That is the rumor here. I have never heard that from a definitive source. However, if you've ever been to Manhattan KS and seen K-State out in the middle of nowhere you would understand why they want them connected as a package deal.

They actually fly recruits in at night so they do not have to look at wheat fields on the 2+ hour drive to campus. It is the reason that Snyder recruits mostly juco's and has a very specific system he uses for football and it is the reason that both Huggs and Frank Martin got out as quickly as possible. I know for Huggs that it was his alma mater but recruiting athletes to come play for k-state is very, very hard.

Here's why I think we want to be in the Big12. IF the end game is going to be 4 super conferences with 16 teams, that means there are 64 spots. We need to put ourselves in position to have one of those 64 spots. Currently, we are not in that position. There are 64 teams in the P5 today. And ND needs to displace someone too.

So it seems our best strategy is to get into the Big12, strength our program with the additional dollars, and work to beat out some of the current programs in the Big12 when the final shuffle occurs. Seems to me, our geography will help. The key will be to have the best program as possible by that time.

Will we be more attractive than Iowa State, TCU, Texas Tech, Kansas State, Oklahoma State, Baylor, West Virginia, Kansas, Oklahoma, Texas? If we get into the Big12 it gives us an advantage over teams that don't - UConn, BYU, Memphis, USF, UCF. The boat might get smaller if the Pac10 can't get who it wants from the Big12 and takes a team from the Mountain West. (I still can't believe Utah is in the Pac10, argh!)

Current situation:
ACC - 14 teams
Big 10 - 14 teams
SEC - 14 teams
Pac 10 - 12 teams
Big 12 - 10 teams

[bearcatbret]

^An article/blog that I read written by a Kansas fan/writer (I have lost track of everything that I have read), said that KState and Kansas were not rivals but Kansas lost their true rival when Mizzu left the Big12. I am not sure that KState and Kansas will move together. I believe that it will be like all else if the Big12 folds, all universities for themselves.

[CincyBearcat95]

Kansas and Kansas state have to move together. The state wants them together in whatever conference they go to.

Anytime in spent in the big 12 is better than time spent in the American. More money, more visibility - more experience playing with the big boys.

If 12 implodes then at least it was better to have all that if even for a short while over those who didn't. At least it puts us in line again before many others.

[bearcatbret]

Gary - I agree totally. The revenue from one year would be the equivalent of what, 10 years in the AAC? If the Big12 does expand, I believe that they remain solvent and relevant. If they do not expand, it may be a signal that they are ready to dissolve and have their members move onto other p5 conferences which would then be p4. Kansas and Iowa State to the BIG, TX and OK to the SEC. Not sure where their two stars from this year end up (Baylor, TCU). However, if the choose expansion, that is a signal that they want to remain the Big12.

Just read the GoBearcats.com article about the upcoming Nebraska bball game. This stood out - "Cincinnati is the only FBS school in the nation to currently own conference titles in basketball and football. "

[bearcatgary]

Then why do we have so many people on this board that wants us to be in the Big12? I could see a scenario just like the Big East when the Big 12 gets raided and UC on the outside looking in again.

Because there are also several positive outcomes too. Perhaps the B12 doesn't implode in which case being the B12 is any form is much better than the AAC. Secondly, there is the possibility that it does implode, but after a duration in which UC football again achieves national rankings and recognition. Perhaps, this time around, UC could capitalize on its success and move to one of the remaining conferences.

I really don't see any alternatives. We aren't going to the SEC, PAC12 or BIG. The ACC seems pretty settled at this point. The only conference which may require an expansion is the B12.

The only other option is to remain a "mid-major" (as a few journalists called us recently) forever.

--Gary

[Bearcat Otto]

Then why do we have so many people on this board that wants us to be in the Big12? I could see a scenario just like the Big East when the Big 12 gets raided and UC on the outside looking in again.

[coach]

There might not be a big 12 by then.

[red_n_black_attack]

Exactly. This will all blow over in a few short months.

The money won't blow over. The SEC and ACC are receiving about $20 million more than the other conferences this year!

Being in the Rose or Sugar Bowl as part of the playoff nets the conference $6 million for each participant, plus another $2 million goes directly to the school to cover travel costs.

The Cotton Bowl pays the conference for each team $4 million.

Conferences receive $27.5 million for each team in the Orange Bowl!! Miss St and Ga Tech

On years when the playoffs are not in the Rose Bowl and Sugar Bowl, their payouts go back to normal and the Orange Bowl payout is only $6 million per conference when they host a playoff.

There is no additional money given to conference or team for winning the playoff game and playing in the championship game.

I did not get the payout for the Fiesta Bowl, but I'll guess it's more than $6 but less than $27.5 million.

As I recall, UC said it nearly lost money when the Big east was given $17 million for our Orange Bowl appearance.

Thus, if the Big 12 had a conference championship this year and sent one of those teams to the playoff, the conference would've been able to split $2 million twelve ways (if we had expansion), plus however much the conference would've received for having the conference championship.

NET - follow the money, not the heart in any talk of expansion. TV ratings and renegotiated deals will rule any expansion decision making. This is one reason I give a lot of credit to Lobot when he says expansion won't happen for 3-5 years, because that's when the Big 12 tv contract ends and that's probably when the playoff will expand to eight teams.

[CincyEngGrad02]

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefoot...to-eight-teams

Everyone seems to have their own opinions on the fallout of the Big 12 being left out of the first playoff.

There are only four slots and five "Power Conferences". What would the talk be if one of the other conferences got left out? A loss in the conference championship game by any of the other top four and the conversation would be about how the Big 12 got it right with it's one true champion motto.

Exactly. This will all blow over in a few short months.

[red_n_black_attack]

Expanding playoffs not conferences

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefoot...to-eight-teams

Everyone seems to have their own opinions on the fallout of the Big 12 being left out of the first playoff.

There are only four slots and five "Power Conferences". What would the talk be if one of the other conferences got left out? A loss in the conference championship game by any of the other top four and the conversation would be about how the Big 12 got it right with it's one true champion motto.

[bearcatbret]

I read one blog last night where Kansas hopes that the Big12 dissolves and they get an invite to the BIG. There is actually a lot of talk of the Big12 folding. I will see if I can not find the article.

This is not it but interesting in the bias.... "the conference may look at expanding with – gasp – Cincinnati and Memphis. As if adding mid-major schools that aren’t even the most popular programs in their own cities is what the league needs to battle the SEC, Big Ten, ACC and Pac-12". http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports...-go-from-here/

About Kansas but still not the article about going to the BIG. http://www.rockchalktalk.com/2014/12...yoffs-may-have

[blackattack]

As predicted. You get the distinct impression from the Big12 that they will expand only when they have exhausted every other option available to them.
Time for us to move on and make the best of it in the AAC

[Lobot]

1) What if they don't get a waiver

2) Define foreseeable future

This is, after everything had started to settle down, what I expected to come out. I still don't think that the foreseeable future goes past 2018 when their TV contract expires. The schools are being stubborn and think they can get a waiver. If they don't, maybe this position changes. We'll know in 6 months when the NCAA's decision is due.

A conditional, expiring waiver would be great. Would give them X number of years to expand.

[GoBearcats31]

@ChuckCarltonDMN
On returning to Dallas from NY, Bob Bowlsby confirms that if Big 12 is to add a FB title game, it will come through NCAA legislation.

@ChuckCarltonDMN
Bowlsby on expansion talk: "I don’t think our position has changed one iota. ... We're going to stay at the 10 for the foreseeable future."