Expansion thread 2022

[Greg7173]

I am not so sure that UC would make the cut in the two-power conference scenario. I say this because I do not think that the Big 10 or the SEC cut any of their current members. So, there are already 32 spots accounted for. Add ND which makes 33 spots. Drop 4 teams from the ACC and you are up to 43 positions taken. Drop 3 teams from the PAC 10 so now we are at 50. Drop 3 from the Big 12 and you are at 59 teams. That means that UC would have to beat out one of the four ACC teams, one of the three PAC 10 teams, and one of the three Big 12 teams. You basically have 10 members from the ACC, Big 12, Pac 10 trying to get those remaining 5 seats at the table.

Sad but probably very true. We still don't garner the respect we deserve as a program. Maybe after a couple of years of success in the B12.

[bearcatbret]

I have always thought we made best sense for SEC, and could not put any stock in this rumor. The SEC has enough middling and bottom schools. They have several top schools and want more top schools. If/when the ACC breaks up, expect SEC to offer only two of these three: Clemson, FSU, or Miami. UC will not sniff an SEC invite unless there is a true movement to go to two power conferences with 32 teams each. In that scenario, we could get either Big Ten or SEC invite. I gotta believe UC would make a top 64.

I am not so sure that UC would make the cut in the two-power conference scenario. I say this because I do not think that the Big 10 or the SEC cut any of their current members. So, there are already 32 spots accounted for. Add ND which makes 33 spots. Drop 4 teams from the ACC and you are up to 43 positions taken. Drop 3 teams from the PAC 10 so now we are at 50. Drop 3 from the Big 12 and you are at 59 teams. That means that UC would have to beat out one of the four ACC teams, one of the three PAC 10 teams, and one of the three Big 12 teams. You basically have 10 members from the ACC, Big 12, Pac 10 trying to get those remaining 5 seats at the table.

[red_n_black_attack]

I do not believe this for a minute..... The season ticket holder right next to me, this evening said that the SEC is courting UC. That the SEC wants to get into Ohio and go head-to-head with tosu. I told him that it was my belief that the ACC or the SEC should have chased UC before to get into the hot bed of recruiting in Ohio but they did not so we are in the Big 12. He said that the SEC know Ohio and wants to get into Ohio. I said that since the Big 12 media deal is done, UC cannot leave. He said that there is never a never. Again, I do not believe this but I wanted to throw it out there in case any of you have heard anything similar. In my opinion, UC is better off in the Big 12 for competition. Would you take the SEC for the money?

I have always thought we made best sense for SEC, and could not put any stock in this rumor. The SEC has enough middling and bottom schools. They have several top schools and want more top schools. If/when the ACC breaks up, expect SEC to offer only two of these three: Clemson, FSU, or Miami. UC will not sniff an SEC invite unless there is a true movement to go to two power conferences with 32 teams each. In that scenario, we could get either Big Ten or SEC invite. I gotta believe UC would make a top 64.

[bba_1979]

I do not believe this for a minute..... The season ticket holder right next to me, this evening said that the SEC is courting UC. That the SEC wants to get into Ohio and go head-to-head with tosu. I told him that it was my belief that the ACC or the SEC should have chased UC before to get into the hot bed of recruiting in Ohio but they did not so we are in the Big 12. He said that the SEC know Ohio and wants to get into Ohio. I said that since the Big 12 media deal is done, UC cannot leave. He said that there is never a never. Again, I do not believe this but I wanted to throw it out there in case any of you have heard anything similar. In my opinion, UC is better off in the Big 12 for competition. Would you take the SEC for the money?

I agree - I don't believe this for a minute, even though I always thought it made sense. Good TV market size, gets a foothold in recruiting rich area. However, I can't imagine those deep south teams would want to come to Cincinnati in November or December (as I watch the snow flying this morning). And Kentucky enjoys being the team currently that can heavily recruit OH. Would I take SEC for the money? **** yes! We did with the Big 12 right? But I would take the SEC (and their $$$) for all the other sports - would be great for baseball, golf, soccer - could add softball. Some can dream, but I believe that's all this is.

[bearcatbret]

I do not believe this for a minute..... The season ticket holder right next to me, this evening said that the SEC is courting UC. That the SEC wants to get into Ohio and go head-to-head with tosu. I told him that it was my belief that the ACC or the SEC should have chased UC before to get into the hot bed of recruiting in Ohio but they did not so we are in the Big 12. He said that the SEC know Ohio and wants to get into Ohio. I said that since the Big 12 media deal is done, UC cannot leave. He said that there is never a never. Again, I do not believe this but I wanted to throw it out there in case any of you have heard anything similar. In my opinion, UC is better off in the Big 12 for competition. Would you take the SEC for the money?

[bearcatbret]

If you want some more speculation about the PAC 10 - Pac-12 Hotline: Expect new media rights deal before Pac-12 decides whether to expand (tucson.com)

[red_n_black_attack]

Dan got one wrong earlier in the process too. Seems like his source was Wannstedt on that one and Wannstedt was clueless despite working for CBS at the time.

Or his source could be Pac 10 beat writer and hack Jon Wilner. That guy is very supportive of the pac 10 and will promote any rumor that props up the Pac 10 without verifying his sources.

[bearcatbret]

This says that the PAC 12 should be worried more about visibility and not money. Oh, they will not get the visibility from Amazon. Pac-12 should be concerned about visibility, not value compared to Big 12 as new media rights deal nears - CBSSports.com Plus, by getting to the TV table first, the Big 12 was able to pluck up whatever prime times that are left after the SEC and Big 10. The PAC will not have many quality times.

[Lobot]

Dan got one wrong earlier in the process too. Seems like his source was Wannstedt on that one and Wannstedt was clueless despite working for CBS at the time.

[bearcatbret]

Dan Patrick is calling San Diego St. to the PAC 12 later this week apparently

All other people in that industry are calling him wrong. They say that the PAC 12 is going to get their TV deal done prior to adding anyone. I wonder if the TV people are saying to to the PAC 12, add SDSt. before we finalize??

[Lobot]

Dan Patrick is calling San Diego St. to the PAC 12 later this week apparently

[bearcatbret]

You can still scroll down in this article and read it. It is interesting how they talk about the Big 12's new TV deal and what it means to the PAC. They say that the Big 12 left money on the table for security, but it will still be more than the PAC. The PAC has "powers" such as Oregon and Washington but nobody else. The Big 12 is good all the way down. Pac-12 Hotline mailbag: What’s the fate of UW and Oregon? Plus, could Gonzaga join the conference? | The Seattle Times

[red_n_black_attack]

Best basketball conference could get much better. Loving the UCF complaints about travel and another basketball loss or two.

[Lobot]

Well this is damned interesting and I had to check twice to make sure the account was the real Pete Thamel.

https://www.espn.com/mens-college-ba...ing-conference

[bearcatbret]

Dilutional PAC 12 says they are going to close the income gap with the Big 10.

Kliavkoff said the conference’s new deal would “close the gap between us and the Big Ten and the SEC [Southeastern Conference],” which he called a first step in strengthening the Pac-12 brand.

“Eventually, we’ll catch those guys,” Kliavkoff said. “It will take a couple of steps, but we’re going to take a step towards closing that gap. Then we’re going to be looking at expansion. We’re going to be looking at schools that make sense for us.”

Pac-12’s George Kliavkoff says ‘Eventually, we’ll catch’ SEC and Big Ten, a highly implausible scenario (msn.com)