Expansion Thread 2023

[longtimefan]

From Berry Tramel in The Oklahoman, first of 3 parts on UC entering the Big 12.

https://www.oklahoman.com/story/spor...l/70312806007/

[red_n_black_attack]

The Thamel article is a welcome summary. I'm getting a bit tired of writers supposing what will happen or making predictions. This summarizes most of the events/possibilities over the past 5/6 months and what is possible in the future.

[Lobot]

Thamel on Colorado. ESPN+ Article ($)

https://www.espn.com/college-footbal...-12-big-12-acc

[longtimefan]

As Lord Peter Wimsey would say, “the only one who knows for sure is the corpse, and he ain’t sayin.” All the speculation from whatever media or “insider” source is worthless. I’ll wait to see.

[Bearcats1232002]

I am not sure that the Big Ten is eyeing Washington and Oregon right now. Remember that this is about TV markets. I have read that the Big Ten may wait out the ACC's grant of rights and get a foothold in the southeast. But then again, in the mid 2030's, there may be two leagues modelled after the NFL. I just hope that UC is invited to that dance.

I don't know how much markets matter now. It used to be about markets because conferences were selling their conference networks to cable providers but I think it will be about streaming soon which means the whole world would potentially be in your market. I agree with you that once the dust has settled I hope we are with the big boys.

[bearcatbret]

This would confirm what I thought all along: Pac 12 schools won't be leaving and joining the Big 12. The deal would have to be for substantially less before they would begrudgingly come to the Big 12. They all along wanted to stay in the Pac 12. Yormark did alot of talking, and I believe he tried, but ends up looking a little foolish to me. Now once Oregon, Washington, Stanford or Cal leave for the Big Ten then we will have the wild west of expansion again.

I am not sure that the Big Ten is eyeing Washington and Oregon right now. Remember that this is about TV markets. I have read that the Big Ten may wait out the ACC's grant of rights and get a foothold in the southeast. But then again, in the mid 2030's, there may be two leagues modelled after the NFL. I just hope that UC is invited to that dance.

[Bearcats1232002]

It appears that the PAC expects that their media deal will be the same as their last one and similar to the Big 12. Pac-12 could have media rights deal by end of June, Washington State president says - The Athletic

This would confirm what I thought all along: Pac 12 schools won't be leaving and joining the Big 12. The deal would have to be for substantially less before they would begrudgingly come to the Big 12. They all along wanted to stay in the Pac 12. Yormark did alot of talking, and I believe he tried, but ends up looking a little foolish to me. Now once Oregon, Washington, Stanford or Cal leave for the Big Ten then we will have the wild west of expansion again.

[bearcatbret]

It appears that the PAC expects that their media deal will be the same as their last one and similar to the Big 12. Pac-12 could have media rights deal by end of June, Washington State president says - The Athletic

[red_n_black_attack]

PAC12 has agreed to terms on a Grant of Rights per Stew Mandel but nothing has been signed and won’t be until the media deal is known.

I’m also seeing that Arizona is leaving the door open to a move in addition to Colorado. This all in the event the PAC12 media deal stinks.

When they find out the media deal sucks... it will unfold quickly. I think it's clear AZ, ASU, and CU will jump at a Big 12 offer. The wild card is will UW/Oregon get that golden Big10 invite.

Nothing will include ACC this round. Their GoR will eventually fall apart when the next tv contracts leave ACC team even further behind.

[Lobot]

Supposedly from a couple of sources in the west, the PAC 12 media rights deal is expected in 2 weeks. Every other attempt at guessing the time line here has been wrong

[Lobot]

PAC12 has agreed to terms on a Grant of Rights per Stew Mandel but nothing has been signed and won’t be until the media deal is known.

I’m also seeing that Arizona is leaving the door open to a move in addition to Colorado. This all in the event the PAC12 media deal stinks.

[red_n_black_attack]

The Enquirer report directly credits Swaim, who is very biased against the Pac10. His tweets are sometimes a little too much vitriol. Swaim is not the only one reporting the imminent demise of the Pac10 or even that CU could join the Big 12 soon. Until there is a formal announcement, all of this is rumor. To be fair, Swaim has a lot of connections due to his recruiting work, but not sure how far up the foodchain some of those connections reach.

[Chewbacca2099]

Funny how all of these news outlets are reporting things based on the "Swaim show" who we know is unreliable. Just throwing out nonsense articles with no real information behind it.

[bearcatbret]

Today, the gossip mill has hit high gear.
According to this "mumble jumble", the Big 10 has vetted teams. Big Ten Reportedly 'Vetted' 10 Schools For Possible Expansion (msn.com)
And this basically says Colorado and Arizona to the Big 12. Patrick Kinahan: 'News' cycle churns often on Pac-12, Big 12 storylines | KSL.com
Even more chatter about a lot of "nothing" but it does have PAC fans worried. Big 12 expansion speculation swirls around Pac-12's Arizona Wildcats (usatoday.com) Even the Cincy Enquirer is reporting on it.

[bearcatbret]

Nothing really new coming out of the Big 12 meetings. Here are five potential expansion options. Also, it is always fun reading replies to a tweet. Big 12 Expansion: 5 Scenarios for Future Conference Realignment (msn.com)