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  • bearcatbret
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    • May 2008
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    #106
    Was Oregon the preferred team of the BIG 10 over UCLA? Did Fox squash that in order to have the LA market completely tied up? Will the BIG 10 come back for Oregon? This rumor has to have the rest of the PAC (and their media suitors) worried. Pac-12 President Reveals Big Ten Preferred Another School Over UCLA (msn.com)

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    • red_n_black_attack
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      #107
      Originally posted by bearcatbret
      Was Oregon the preferred team of the BIG 10 over UCLA? Did Fox squash that in order to have the LA market completely tied up? Will the BIG 10 come back for Oregon? This rumor has to have the rest of the PAC (and their media suitors) worried. Pac-12 President Reveals Big Ten Preferred Another School Over UCLA (msn.com)
      I don't think it is likely that Robbins knew of any initial talks between Big 10 and USC, much less that Oregon was a preferred choice over UCLA. Everyone was stunned when this news broke and it only broke with announcement of USC and UCLA. Robbins' speculation may be true, and it is brilliant if Fox wanted to tie up the entire LA market in one fell swoop, but no one saw that coming.
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      • bearcatbret
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        #108
        Originally posted by red_n_black_attack

        I don't think it is likely that Robbins knew of any initial talks between Big 10 and USC, much less that Oregon was a preferred choice over UCLA. Everyone was stunned when this news broke and it only broke with announcement of USC and UCLA. Robbins' speculation may be true, and it is brilliant if Fox wanted to tie up the entire LA market in one fell swoop, but no one saw that coming.
        I agree with you. My point was that with rumors about the Big 10 having even more interest in Oregon cannot be good news for the other members or the media companies trying to negotiate a deal.

        In other news, Forbes is reporting that a streaming service for the PAC 12 media rights would be a great fit because of the relationship between the PAC and tech valley. There is even a silicon forest in Oregon. Is this a way to soften the news that the primary account will be with Amazon or Apple?

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        • Lobot
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          • Apr 2007
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          #109
          Originally posted by bearcatbret

          I agree with you. My point was that with rumors about the Big 10 having even more interest in Oregon cannot be good news for the other members or the media companies trying to negotiate a deal.

          In other news, Forbes is reporting that a streaming service for the PAC 12 media rights would be a great fit because of the relationship between the PAC and tech valley. There is even a silicon forest in Oregon. Is this a way to soften the news that the primary account will be with Amazon or Apple?
          A lot of folks in media have stated that Amazon only wants game of the week stuff from the PAC and Apple doesn’t seem to be interested. Makes you wonder who’s bluffing.
          Brent Wyrick
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          • bearcatbret
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            #110
            Originally posted by Lobot

            A lot of folks in media have stated that Amazon only wants game of the week stuff from the PAC and Apple doesn’t seem to be interested. Makes you wonder who’s bluffing.
            This states that the deal is close to being finalized including ESPN, Amazon and Apple. It also says that nobody really knows. There is a Zoom meeting with the presidents this week. Future of Pac-12 at stake for George Kliavkoff as media-rights saga nears conclusion | The Seattle Times If ESPN is not involved, there will be no highlights, no mention, no coverage of the conference on TV.

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            • red_n_black_attack
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              #111
              Originally posted by bearcatbret

              If ESPN is not involved, there will be no highlights, no mention, no coverage of the conference on TV.
              Are you sure about that? SportsCenter has shown SEC highlights from CBS and Noter Shame highlights from NBC and other Fox games. I'd guess ESPN pays a small fee for each of those as part of the production cost, or has a negatiated fee to show no more than X amount of time for each game. The games on ESPN/ABC get much more playing time, but the others still get a mention. I'd hope Apple/Amazon would do the same thing to help maximize exposure. If not, you are correct, streaming will nearly kill Pac 10 viewership.
              Red and Black are more of an Attitude than merely a color combination.

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              • Lobot
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                • Apr 2007
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                #112
                Originally posted by red_n_black_attack

                Are you sure about that? SportsCenter has shown SEC highlights from CBS and Noter Shame highlights from NBC and other Fox games. I'd guess ESPN pays a small fee for each of those as part of the production cost, or has a negatiated fee to show no more than X amount of time for each game. The games on ESPN/ABC get much more playing time, but the others still get a mention. I'd hope Apple/Amazon would do the same thing to help maximize exposure. If not, you are correct, streaming will nearly kill Pac 10 viewership.
                Just for comparison's sake, they're have been plenty of NFL highlights shown on ESPN that were pulled from the Amazon Thursday NIght football streaming broadcasts.
                Brent Wyrick
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                • Lobot
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                  • Apr 2007
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                  #113
                  Fresno State confirms big 12 contact



                  Brent Wyrick
                  92 Final Four Front Row
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                  • bearcatbret
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                    • May 2008
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                    #114
                    I am not doubting the contact between the Big 12 and Fresno but I suspect that it may be a warning to certain PAC 12 schools that if they do not join soon, then there will not be an opening or opportunity for them later. If contacting Fresno were true, I would say that the Big 12 should go after SDU first and steal them from the PAC and make the PAC go after Fresno. I will not believe anything until a media rights deal has been announced. There are stories that Amazon is going after soccer and if they do, the PAC may be out of any good deal with Amazon. With all of the layoffs and cutbacks in media and big-tech, the PAC may be having troubles landing that media rights deal that they all think that they will get. If no deal for the PAC is announced by mid-April, I think then, you will see some heavy rumors about defections. Like some have said, there are companies out there looking for pennies on the dollar deal with the PAC.

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                    • red_n_black_attack
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                      #115
                      Greg Swaim claiming Big 12 is talking durectly or thru intermediary with all four corners schools, probably others. He is also reporting ESPN bid is $90 million/year for whole conference for 1 game on network and one game on streaming plus per week. That's barely MWC and AAC value.

                      You've all seen from multiple reports that the #Big12 is talking (directly or thru a third party) with the Four Corners schools of the #Pac12, but I didn't report that, as one school had not been in talks. Now all four schools are talking to Yormark, one way or another.


                      So let's get this straight on where we're at with the #Pac12 saga... Fox Sports has pulled out of any further negotiations. ESPN offered a bid of $90M for one linear and one streaming game a week. P12 roughly $220M short of where #Big12 is, with significantly less visibility.
                      Red and Black are more of an Attitude than merely a color combination.

                      Intimidate! Dominate! Celebrate!

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                      • Lobot
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                        • Apr 2007
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                        #116
                        Originally posted by red_n_black_attack
                        Greg Swaim claiming Big 12 is talking durectly or thru intermediary with all four corners schools, probably others. He is also reporting ESPN bid is $90 million/year for whole conference for 1 game on network and one game on streaming plus per week. That's barely MWC and AAC value.

                        https://twitter.com/GSwaim/status/16...smc9QhKCA&s=19

                        https://twitter.com/GSwaim/status/16...YPMxv8KMQ&s=19
                        A. I'm confused at the 90M. Did you mean PAC 12 there?
                        B. Greg Swaim is not credible in my opinion. He's a talk radio guy. Anything for ratings. I called him on his BS years ago and he blocked me.
                        Last edited by Lobot; 03-28-2023, 05:18 PM.
                        Brent Wyrick
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                        • red_n_black_attack
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                          #117
                          Originally posted by Lobot

                          A. I'm confused at the 90M. Did you mean PAC 12 there?
                          B. Greg Swaim is not credible in my opinion. He's a talk radio guy. Anything for ratings. I called him on his BS years ago and he blocked me.
                          Yes 90 million offer to Pac10 for whole conference
                          Red and Black are more of an Attitude than merely a color combination.

                          Intimidate! Dominate! Celebrate!

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                          • bearcatbret
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                            #118
                            Meanwhile, the talking heads at the off media market are talking about how the PAC needs to be creative with their streaming services. Pac-12 needs to bring Amazon and Apple into original football time-slotting (yahoo.com) I somewhat believe that ESPN offered that. Everyone has been talking about pennies on the dollar and streaming services would be the last best hope.

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                            • bearcatbret
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                              #119
                              Nick Khan weighs in on several topics including the PAC 12. Not looking good.
                              WWE CEO Nick Khan offers insight on upcoming Pac-12, NBA, and WWE media deals (awfulannouncing.com)

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                              • bearcatbret
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                                #120
                                Could the Big 10 poach the ACC Commissioner? How the Big Ten’s search for next commish could impact the ACC | The Clemson Insider

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