Expansion Thread 2023

[bearcatbret]

I do not think that UConn will want to leave the Big East. Sure, more money and a home for their football team but it just doesn't make sense from their perspective.

Also, the PAC is promising more access to players and coaches during games. Even soundless cameras from the coaches booth.

[Illuminerdski]

You can add the Big 12 and UCONN to the rumor mill.

https://www.outkick.com/big-12-uconn-huskies-interest-report/

[Chewbacca2099]

ESPN article is downplaying the ACC drama. Of course they are, they want to keep that cheap TV deal going as long as they can. But I don't think the ACC is going anywhere anytime soon.

https://www.espn.com/college-sports/story/_/id/37665239/acc-optimistic-reaching-agreement-postseason-revenue-distribution-model

[bearcatbret]

I think that this is the most honest article about the ACC that is out there. I basically says that the ACC is not going anywhere and even if the schools could get out, there is no place for them to go. ACC schools can daydream about leaving league, but there's nowhere to go and no way to get there (msn.com)

[GoBearcats31]

@RossDellenger
This timing could be an issue for expansion target San Diego State. As was in our story y'day (https://bit.ly/42U1cZJ), to join the Pac-12 in 2024, Aztecs need to give MWC notice by June 30 or their exit fee of ~$17M triples in cost. This delay could push their entrance to 2025

[Lobot]

Has Swaim ever called anything correctly before? Sounds like a clickbait even though plausible. This ACC doom isn't going to happen anytime soon

No, he hasn’t. He also predicted today that the SEC would drop UK apparently and everybody’s mad at him now. I blocked him years ago, he’s not credible.

[Bearcats1232002]

I have a bad feeling about all of this. Maybe it’s my paranoia getting the best of me. But I see this resulting in dilution of the BigXII to where the advantage of being invited to the conference will be nullified. It will become the Power 2 or 3 and that won’t include the BigXII. It will be like being in the American all over again.

You have the same pessimism that I have. We could just as easily be left out if there is a seismic shift in college athletics. I don't think this big shift will happen yet but will come down the road when the Big 10 and SEC eventually try to break off.

[bearcatbret]

Your final realignment scenario.

SWAIM SHOW on Twitter: "BREAKING: Just verified this with a colleague who will also be reporting soon that #CardNation just became the eighth team to put the #ACC's existence into serious jeopardy. Of course that means the #Big12 has made the offer. Conference Realignment is going down...and soon!!" / Twitter

[London 'Cat]

I have a bad feeling about all of this. Maybe it’s my paranoia getting the best of me. But I see this resulting in dilution of the BigXII to where the advantage of being invited to the conference will be nullified. It will become the Power 2 or 3 and that won’t include the BigXII. It will be like being in the American all over again.

[Chewbacca2099]

Has Swaim ever called anything correctly before? Sounds like a clickbait even though plausible. This ACC doom isn't going to happen anytime soon

[made_hand]

https://twitter.com/GSwaim/status/1658494618458116096?s=20

[made_hand]

And here we go .... Loserville added to the “Magnificent Seven” to challenge the ACC Grant of Rights.

Clemson, FSU, Miami, UNC, NC State, Virginia, Virginia Tech, Loserville

[red_n_black_attack]

Red_n_Black, do you leave Louisville intentionally? Why not bring them into the Big 12?

Since reading some of the replies to McMurphy's tweet, I started down memory lane. Fans from some schools who now look down on schools like UC seem to forget that VTech, Louisville, FSU and S. Carolina were in the same conference (the Metro) as UC until the late 80's. That was a heck of a basketball conference. Yes, I know all of those schools were football independent. It is interesting too that fans think that all of the ACC teams would go to other Power Conferences if the ACC falls apart. They seem to forget about the collapse of the Big East football. Also, FSU says that they cannot compete with the paltry TV money that they are getting. Yes, there is a big drop from the Big10/SEC to the other Power 5 conferences but then there is a significant drop down to the AAC and MW then there is next to nothing after that. All that said, I suspect that starting in the 2030's, there will be a huge shift in realignment, kind of a NFL arrangement.

I forgot Loserville on accident, but at this point, I am good with them being relegated to the AAC or Sunbelt. Their athletic department is in a shambles after Jurich, bleeding money and I'm okay if they wither on the vine. I only see 8, maybe 9 ACC teams landing in Big 10, SEC, or Big 12. At one point, Loserville was near top of my wish list due to proximity, long/storied rivalries, and they were a top notch get. Now, I think they are in a battle for the 9th spot.

[bearcatbret]

Red_n_Black, do you leave Louisville intentionally? Why not bring them into the Big 12?

Since reading some of the replies to McMurphy's tweet, I started down memory lane. Fans from some schools who now look down on schools like UC seem to forget that VTech, Louisville, FSU and S. Carolina were in the same conference (the Metro) as UC until the late 80's. That was a heck of a basketball conference. Yes, I know all of those schools were football independent. It is interesting too that fans think that all of the ACC teams would go to other Power Conferences if the ACC falls apart. They seem to forget about the collapse of the Big East football. Also, FSU says that they cannot compete with the paltry TV money that they are getting. Yes, there is a big drop from the Big10/SEC to the other Power 5 conferences but then there is a significant drop down to the AAC and MW then there is next to nothing after that. All that said, I suspect that starting in the 2030's, there will be a huge shift in realignment, kind of a NFL arrangement.

[red_n_black_attack]

If the ACC implodes, would we prefer to be in a reformed ACC with our more traditional (and closer) rival schools if the money is about the same? I'd prefer to be playing Pitt and UL than Texas Tech & Iowa State. Easy away games to drive to as well. The other obvious option is the Big12 takes 4-6 teams (Wake Forest & Boston College move to AAC), but if they expand now with PAC teams that might make us TOO big

According to reports, Brent Yormark is aware of and monitoring the situation. I like your obvious choice to add more ACC teams to Big 12, but it also depends on who blinks first.
My dream scenario is both ACC and PAC10 implode with the Big 10 taking three ACC schools plus Noter Shame. and the SEC taking two ACC schools. Assume Clemson, FSU, UNC, Virginia, and Miami are off the board and no Pac10 schools go to the big two. Then the Big 12 adds Oregon, Washington, Pitt, Va Tech, NC State and one of these three Ga Tech or Duke or Arizona to get to 18 teams, I doubt 20 teams is in Networks interest, but could be wrong.